How to save professional pool...no, really.

Who built it for you?
I got the left overs.

Wore out Gandy Big G’s and 80 yea old Bwick 12’ tables that were falling apart.

The rooms in the 80’s I played in were leftovers from the 60’s pool boom.

No complaints, I made my way with what was there.

I never had the expectation of anyone ever handing me anything. I didn’t get any family $, or some legacy to continue or a family business to take over. What I have I made, took or both. I educated myself.

My parents did set me in motion the best they could. I had great parents-that helped me a lot. But beyond preparing myself for what was to come-I did that. As I do now. I don’t look to the Govt for $ when I get old, or a pension or free medical care. Or free pool time.

Life is what I make it, not what’s bequeathed to me.

Fatboy<——on his own
 
True Eric. But knowing the usual MR approach (be like a steam locomotive on its track, and take no prisoners) there's more to that. And yes, profit is the main goal. Regardless, sometimes.
Hoping for the good :)
Barry Hearn has said it many times “I ain’t doing it unless I make $ from it”.

That’s not a bad thing, MR can make their $, pay players and redistribute a ton of $ into the pool economy and eat well themselves.

I’m hoping they do that. Everyone wins, fans have fun, players eat, MR makes $. Happy days

Best
Fatboy

And with a bit of luck the 5 will be orange sooner than later!!!💪💪
 
If it weren't for the men who built the halls where I played as a boy, I would have never known what the game of pool was. I didn't have to ask them for help, it was already there. Nothing just happens.
 
The PAT is a fair test. It does what its name implies, it TESTS A PLAYERS ABILITY TO PLAY THE GAME. There are plenty of guys playing the game of pool right now who are capable of a 6-pack, but I would be happy to bet that of the +/- 2000 players whose names are on the 2022 Pool Money List, about 1900 of them can't.

Standards of excellence are designed to separate the men from the boys. Passing your PAT in golf shows the members of the snooty Country Club in Denver that you can beat anybody in the club. Being a member of The PGA tells people that you know your shit. It is not uncommon for Club Pros to qualify for and play in the PGA Championship.

A PAT for pool players would separate the men from the boys. Nobody wants to watch dead money. People want to see The Big Guns. People want to get autographs that are worth a shit. In order to do that, you need to identify the really great players, and then ORGANIZE Them. Then, while they are slowly resuscitating a dying game, a chosen (by the players) group of staff and administrators will go to work promoting them. This much I know, "if you build it, they will come."

The funniest thing to watch is denial. A road map for success has already been published and proven by the PGA. Copy the winners and sometimes you can be a winner, too.

"Great oaks from little acorns grow."
Not sure the pga PAT test has anything to do with playing pga tour events, think it's been mentioned a few times.

Pretty sure there will be no Monday qualifiers so I'm not sure the PGA is the model for pool. They also have a proven record of attracting viewers.
 
The PAT is a fair test. It does what its name implies, it TESTS A PLAYERS ABILITY TO PLAY THE GAME. There are plenty of guys playing the game of pool right now who are capable of a 6-pack, but I would be happy to bet that of the +/- 2000 players whose names are on the 2022 Pool Money List, about 1900 of them can't.

Standards of excellence are designed to separate the men from the boys. Passing your PAT in golf shows the members of the snooty Country Club in Denver that you can beat anybody in the club. Being a member of The PGA tells people that you know your shit. It is not uncommon for Club Pros to qualify for and play in the PGA Championship.

A PAT for pool players would separate the men from the boys. Nobody wants to watch dead money. People want to see The Big Guns. People want to get autographs that are worth a shit. In order to do that, you need to identify the really great players, and then ORGANIZE Them. Then, while they are slowly resuscitating a dying game, a chosen (by the players) group of staff and administrators will go to work promoting them. This much I know, "if you build it, they will come."

The funniest thing to watch is denial. A road map for success has already been published and proven by the PGA. Copy the winners and sometimes you can be a winner, too.

"Great oaks from little acorns grow."
On another note, I think what tests a players ability to do well in tournaments to get under pressure and produce. As far as a 6 pack goes, give svb or any of the top players an uncooperative table they'll fail.
 
Not sure the pga PAT test has anything to do with playing pga tour events, think it's been mentioned a few times.

Pretty sure there will be no Monday qualifiers so I'm not sure the PGA is the model for pool. They also have a proven record of attracting viewers.


The PGA of America and the PGA Tour are two different organizations. It is the PGA of America who sponsors, promotes and manages the PGA Playing Ability Test. The PAT is just one of several ways the PGA of America supports, guides, and places men and women who want to live the life of a PGA of America Professional.

The PGA of America model is perfect. I didn't say "copy it". Pulling out adaptable and pertinent components of that model would provide the "road map" I mentioned above.

"On January 17, 1916, a group of golf professionals and several leading amateur golfers gathered at the Taplow Club in New York City, in a meeting that would result in the founding of the Professional Golfers Association (PGA).

The lunch meeting occurred at the invitation of Rodman Wanamaker, the son of the pioneering founder of Wanamaker’s department stores (now Macy’s). A graduate of Princeton University, Wanamaker joined his father’s business in 1886. He used his considerable wealth and influence to support a number of interests, including aviation, art and sports. Believing that golf needed an official organization to promote interest in the game, which was already growing at the time, Wanamaker invited a group of players, including the celebrated Walter Hagen, and other representatives of the sport to the Taplow Club for an exploratory meeting.

The Taplow Club gathering began a series of several meetings over the next several months, and on April 10, 1916, the PGA was officially established with 35 charter members. Wanamaker proposed that the newly formed organization hold an annual tournament, and offered to donate money for a trophy and prize fund. That October, the first annual PGA Championship took place at the Siwanoy Country Club in Bronxville, New York. James M. Barnes defeated Jock Hutchinson in the championship match, taking home the trophy and a purse of $2,580."

You will notice the word "organization." Wanamaker provided the leadership. I have mentioned "organization" and "leadership" in several of my earlier posts.

The Professional Pool Players of America, Inc. would represent the same thing to the world of pool that the PGA of America represents to the world of golf. Who knows where Tiger would be right now if it wasn't for Earl. Tiger was on The Merv Griffen Show years ago. I think it was Bob Hope who asked him what he wanted to do when he grew up. Tiger looked at him and, "Beat the pros."

For a young mind to be truly motivated and inspired, it must first have a hero. Heroes don't act like "pro" pool players do now.
 
The PGA of America and the PGA Tour are two different organizations. It is the PGA of America who sponsors, promotes and manages the PGA Playing Ability Test. The PAT is just one of several ways the PGA of America supports, guides, and places men and women who want to live the life of a PGA of America Professional.

The PGA of America model is perfect. I didn't say "copy it". Pulling out adaptable and pertinent components of that model would provide the "road map" I mentioned above.

"On January 17, 1916, a group of golf professionals and several leading amateur golfers gathered at the Taplow Club in New York City, in a meeting that would result in the founding of the Professional Golfers Association (PGA).

The lunch meeting occurred at the invitation of Rodman Wanamaker, the son of the pioneering founder of Wanamaker’s department stores (now Macy’s). A graduate of Princeton University, Wanamaker joined his father’s business in 1886. He used his considerable wealth and influence to support a number of interests, including aviation, art and sports. Believing that golf needed an official organization to promote interest in the game, which was already growing at the time, Wanamaker invited a group of players, including the celebrated Walter Hagen, and other representatives of the sport to the Taplow Club for an exploratory meeting.

The Taplow Club gathering began a series of several meetings over the next several months, and on April 10, 1916, the PGA was officially established with 35 charter members. Wanamaker proposed that the newly formed organization hold an annual tournament, and offered to donate money for a trophy and prize fund. That October, the first annual PGA Championship took place at the Siwanoy Country Club in Bronxville, New York. James M. Barnes defeated Jock Hutchinson in the championship match, taking home the trophy and a purse of $2,580."

You will notice the word "organization." Wanamaker provided the leadership. I have mentioned "organization" and "leadership" in several of my earlier posts.

The Professional Pool Players of America, Inc. would represent the same thing to the world of pool that the PGA of America represents to the world of golf. Who knows where Tiger would be right now if it wasn't for Earl. Tiger was on The Merv Griffen Show years ago. I think it was Bob Hope who asked him what he wanted to do when he grew up. Tiger looked at him and, "Beat the pros."

For a young mind to be truly motivated and inspired, it must first have a hero. Heroes don't act like "pro" pool players do now.
Ok, everyone has an opinion, you deserve yours.
 
imo pool doesn't need yet another skill rating system, it needs....money..

yes, lots of money, and it will save pool.

Money none of us can come up with.
 
imo pool doesn't need yet another skill rating system, it needs....money..

yes, lots of money, and it will save pool.

Money none of us can come up with.
Oh, you mean like a Sugar Daddy, like Wanamaker? There are a couple of them floating around, you just gotta make 'em believe.
 
So is it the evolution of pool or the evolution of player financing 'cause I gotta say players are incorrigible and if pool doesn't evolve, buh bye.
 
The 2022 Money Leader Board - Pool

56. Pool GER Ralf Souquet $26,069.00

57. Pool GRE Dimitris Loukatos $25,594.00

58. Pool USA Billy Thorpe $24,875.00


The 2022 Money Leader Board - Golf

52.75Billy Horschel3$543,755
53.45Greyson Sigg6$540,595
54.46Byeong Hun An8$512,548

There were 204 PGA Golf Professionals on the 2022 Money Leader Board.
There were approximately 2000 Pool Players on the 2022 Money Leader Board.

The biggest differences between the golf group and the pool group are leadership and organization.

And the fact that you can attract and fit more spectators onto a golf course. And you can attract TV money for golf. And the golf scene is the result of 75 years of building on a consistent basis, rather than one after another get rich quick scheme by scammers. And it not only has more serious and casual fans, they are in a higher economic demographic.

There is no silver bullet that is going to make pool a viable professional spectator sport that appeals beyond a certain niche audience. Comparisons to golf are ludicrous. As is the notion that a PAT will do anything to change that.
 
And the fact that you can attract and fit more spectators onto a golf course. And you can attract TV money for golf. And the golf scene is the result of 75 years of building on a consistent basis, rather than one after another get rich quick scheme by scammers. And it not only has more serious and casual fans, they are in a higher economic demographic.

There is no silver bullet that is going to make pool a viable professional spectator sport that appeals beyond a certain niche audience. Comparisons to golf are ludicrous. As is the notion that a PAT will do anything to change that.
I agree there is no silver bullet. It would take years of work to make the game more mainstream, just like golf took many decades. I do not think a PAT will have much if any effect--it would only be a byproduct of success, not a cause of success.

But I do not feel comparisons to golf are ludicrous. Golf is the closest sport analog to pool, fundamentally. Pool/billiards even started out as an indoor version of golf and its precursors.

I do not know anything about golf, having only played a couple times in my life, and I get bored stiff if I have to watch even a minute of golf. Why is it so popular? Because many people do play it, and those who do play end up watching. Just like pool, the people who play golf will watch. So for pool to have the same success, more people have to play. Which, again, there's no magic bullet. It would take a cultural shift. Making the game more accessible to kids is #1. Having it cordoned off as a parlor game in 21+ bars means it is nothing more than a momentary diversion for most people. Little leaguers grow up to watch MLB, peewee football players grow up to watch the NFL, who then will grow up to watch pool?

Once it is accessible to kids and people are willing to pass their love of the game off to the next generation then with more people playing, more people will want to watch (especially people from more affluent backgrounds) and the sport and demand for viewership will grow since there will be more money involved.
 
Straightline,

You and I both know that life is a crapshoot, and that's true whether you're rich or poor. But, like the Wise Man once said, "No balls, no blue chips." Nothing is easy, and if something is worth having it's worth fighting for.

OK, let's say you're able to get +/- 20 world class players together who can show through act and deed (PAT) that they actually are the best in the primary disciplines (if Efren decides to join, he may qualify for an exemption). You establish the time and place for "The 1st Annual Professional Pool Players of America Tournament" and then every swingin' richard starts marketing. Have events. You know, "Meet the Pros", "Beat the Pros", Clinics, Pro-Ams, Beer Parties, whatever. Call every DJ you know or don't know. Take the hotshot Sports Reporters to lunch. Ask them to tell The Story. And then fight with everything you've got to find ONE Nationally known sponsor...like Brunswick, or Budweiser, you get the picture. What's the hottest pool town in the USA right now? Have the 1st Annual Tournament there, but have the event in a very nice venue in the nicest part of town you can find. Ask the local Hoyty-Toyties to come to the event. Soap 'em up. Do whatever it takes to grow the business. And do it with a smile on your face. And when you shake their hand, look them right in the eye, and don't you dare give 'em no damned dead fish. Make it man to man. With REAL leadership and excellent management, it can work, but it is going to have to be CLEAN. No punks and no cocaine allowed.

So, now you're wondering where the hell am I gonna find 20 world class pool players who are willing to expose themselves to a certain amount of risk. I say risk, because in order to be a member of The PPP of America, they're going to have some skin in the game, as in "no free lunch." Like any syndicate, participation is going to cost you, one way or the other. Purses are purses, and good solid purses attract a better class of patron. Image, quality, recognizable names, class, and just a little dash of glitz. Have you ever seen Dustin Johnson, or Sergio, or Rory, or Ricky Fowler out on a golf course dressed in a wife beater T-shirt? Presentation is everything.

Well then, these are just a few of the things on the "Do Whatever It Takes" list. So that puts the ball in their court. Do they want it? Have they got what it takes to achieve it? Is the status quo secure enough so the whole damn thing is moot. I have no clue, and to make matters worse, I wouldn't have played on the PGA Tour even if I had made it, much less the PPP of America. I like being at home with my child bride playing slap and tickle too much. But think about this: The PGA of America was made up of men who had never even dreamed of a tour. They were happy playing cow tracks for a can of pork and beans and a glass of cold water. Today, Jack Nicklaus has a net worth of 320 million dollars and Tiger is worth over 1 billion. What started in 1917 with 35 charter members has grown to be one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Can pool do the same thing? I don't know, but one of the main reasons the golfers organized was because they were tired of being treated like second class citizens by the members of the clubs where they worked.

I frequently use golf as an example of a very successful concept. It has taken about 100 years for golf to get from where it was to where it is today. I have no delusions that pool will be more successful than golf, even if it takes 100 years. I try to compare and contrast golf and pool. One of the main differences between golf and pool is that generally speaking, pool players want it all and they want it now. They rarely care about anybody but themselves. Golf has succeeded in some large part because of its adherence to the "one for all and all for one" concept. Yes, golf and pool are individual sports, but golfers know beyond any shadow of doubt that without greenskeepers, golf equipment vendors, assistant club pros, volunteers, sponsors, world class venues, excellent college golf programs (with awesome scholarships), dedicated parents and myriad other contributing factors, they would not have anything, up to and including those great big paychecks.

Pool is at a crossroads. Smelly old pool halls are dying a slow, violent death, and nobody really knows how close to death the current batch of visible pool promoters are. If televised pool was truly a profitable venture, it would be on TV with all the other success stories. And it would be supported by real sponsors with really deep pockets.

Pool has two choices. It can smolder along like it has for the last 60 years with no apparent gains. It can have little pockets of glory and greatness, but it can also have long periods of doubt, anxiety, and distress. It can pugnaciously accept the status quo....or, it can redefine itself, be grateful for all that it has and all that it means to so many people, and it can go out and proudly grab the brass ring. Like the LGBTQ community, pool needs to have a Pride Parade. Pool players are not the dregs of society. They are talented, interested, and dedicated sportsmen who are more than capable of taking what is rightfully theirs, Center Stage.

Organization and genuine leadership! That's how pool will grow and prosper. It should be evident by now that the current approach has failed. The future of pool is out there just waiting for you. No balls, no blue chips.
 
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+/- 20 world class players together who can show through act and deed
Whether it's pool, golf or boxing back when that was a little more popular, the most memorable stuff to me came from an underdog. If you haven't seen it, check out Troy Frank taking down Jim Rempe and Efren for the 99 DCC 9 ball.
 
Whether it's pool, golf or boxing back when that was a little more popular, the most memorable stuff to me came from an underdog. If you haven't seen it, check out Troy Frank taking down Jim Rempe and Efren for the 99 DCC 9 ball.
Boxing would be proof that money alone can’t fix your sport.

What mess the boxing world has been.
 
Pool will never be mainstream. Most of you all are scumbags that will try to con someone out of $20 and think you are a big shot. Until you kill that image then things might improve.
 
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