World 10-ball

[sjm]

It’s not a spectator sport when you can watch a kick shot and see a ball go in a pocket and not know whether to cheer because you didn’t hear if the player called that ball.

Then neither is snooker, where reds need not be called and you can't always know before or after the fact what the player's intent was. Same thing in three cushion, where you can't always tell what the player is or was attempting, but you do know what constitutes a successful shot. Guess we better get rid of one pocket, too, where you also can't always determine the player's intent. Pool only has fans because it was smart enough to evolve past call shot games like straight pool, which are less fan friendly and more difficult to follow than games in which calling is not required. I've heard people suggest that 10ball would overtake 9ball since the late 1990's. It hasn't happened, and it won't happen anytime soon. It's not what the spectators want.

 

[Brookeland Bill]

Who do you think is the best?

Incardona.

 

[BRussell]

Then neither is snooker, where reds need not be called and you can't always know before or after the fact what the player's intent was. Same thing in three cushion, where you can't always tell what the player is or was attempting, but you do know what constitutes a successful shot. Guess we better get rid of one pocket, too, where you also can't always determine the player's intent. Pool only has fans because it was smart enough to evolve past call shot games like straight pool, which are less fan friendly and more difficult to follow than games in which calling is not required. I've heard people suggest that 10ball would overtake 9ball since the late 1990's. It hasn't happened, and it won't happen anytime soon. It's not what the spectators want.

Right, I was agreeing with that. It’s not a good spectator sport if you see something happen and still don’t know what happened.

9-ball, snooker, 3-cushion: visual, good for spectators.
10-ball: verbal, bad.

 

[Taxi]

8-ball changed it’s rules many times. It was slop for decades. So when it changed, most professionals were not playing much 8-ball (though professional 8-ball tourneys did exist), and the majority of 8-ball was played in bars. So the change was going to be more from bar players who are used to playing cal-all-the-details, and they did and do complain. For me, I like playing slop 8-ball. Love it, in fact.

When I first started playing pool Way Back When in Cambridge, MD, the 8 ball was a "wild" ball, meaning you could use it for combinations on the stripes or the solids without losing your turn. I also don't remember it ever being a called shot game. I played nothing but 9 ball for about 50 years after that, and when I began playing in an 8 ball winners side / 9 ball losers side tournament about 10 years ago, it wasn't until then that I realized that you can't shoot at the 8 ball until you've cleared all the rest of your balls off the table. Live and learn.

 

[jsp]

Right, I was agreeing with that. It’s not a good spectator sport if you see something happen and still don’t know what happened.

9-ball, snooker, 3-cushion: visual, good for spectators.
10-ball: verbal, bad.

I think we're being a bit too simplistic here. American football has been arguably the most popular spectator sport in America for decades, but it is the most complicated in terms of rules. So just because a game needs a bit more time to learn doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a poor spectator sport.

 

[Taxi]

I think we're being a bit too simplistic here. American football has been arguably the most popular spectator sport in America for decades, but it is the most complicated in terms of rules.

Well, if 10 ball ever replaced the opening lag with head butting contests to determine the first break, maybe 10 ball would find a home on ESPN.

 

[FunChamp]

Jimmy Mataya and Rich Grenier for commentary. instant Gold

 

[straightline]

Unless I remember this wrong, Jim Mataya now sounds like one of the Fuscos right?

 

[FunChamp]

I havent heard him talk in a while. but the man is extremely funny

 

[sjm]

Right, I was agreeing with that. It’s not a good spectator sport if you see something happen and still don’t know what happened.

9-ball, snooker, 3-cushion: visual, good for spectators.
10-ball: verbal, bad.

Sorry if I misinterpreted you. My bad.

Yeah, it's the puzzle we must solve. If we could make it clearer to spectators what players are attempting without making the game harder to follow and without slowing it down, great, but to this point in our game, we haven't found a way.

 

[FunChamp]

How many people watch pool who aren't already players or fans? Does anyone actually know? I'm guessing most folks already can follow the game. Pool isn't really action packed like football. Folks can have no clue what is going on and enjoy a hockey game. Nobody is going to stay tuned in watching pool if you aren't already into the game. It's not entertaining in that way.

 

[garczar]

How many people watch pool who aren't already players or fans? Does anyone actually know?

not many

 

[garczar]

Anyone know today's WC10b stream schedule??

 

[easy-e]

Incardona.

He's obviously very knowledgeable, but he drives me nuts! I guess that's why Baskin Robbins offers 32 flavors...

 

[garczar]

So, entirely personal opinion, same as you saying it’s the most well known title

Ive heard way more pros talking about their desire to win the BF as opposed to the WC10b. Bigfoot is a BIG DEAL to a lot of top pros. I don't even know,or care, wtf a 'metric' even is. hopefully with Predator's involvement the WC10b will get the respect/esteem it deserves.

 

[decent dennis]

Anyone know today's WC10b stream schedule??

Shane vs Bijsterbosch table 1
F.Sanchez Ruiz vs A. Pagulayan table 2 all matches start 11:00 Vegas time




















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[BRussell]

I think we're being a bit too simplistic here. American football has been arguably the most popular spectator sport in America for decades, but it is the most complicated in terms of rules. So just because a game needs a bit more time to learn doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a poor spectator sport.

Right I agree about football, but pool is not in the same place.

But I don’t think it’s so much about being knowledgeable as it is about needing to know what was called. You can be very knowledgeable and still not know what ball was called. It’s not an issue for obvious shots but it does come up a lot in 10-ball, because the rules encourage calling low-percentage shots when you’re playing a safety.

Here’s a common situation that comes up in 10-ball: The player kicks at the ball that’s in a cluster near a pocket. A ball drops, but you don’t know what they called until you see if they go back to their seat or stay at the table. It doesn’t matter how knowledgeable you are, because the player often just says a word to the ref that you can’t hear, so there’s a delayed response to know what actually happened.

 

[jsp]

Right I agree about football, but pool is not in the same place.

But I don’t think it’s so much about being knowledgeable as it is about needing to know what was called. You can be very knowledgeable and still not know what ball was called. It’s not an issue for obvious shots but it does come up a lot in 10-ball, because the rules encourage calling low-percentage shots when you’re playing a safety.

Here’s a common situation that comes up in 10-ball: The player kicks at the ball that’s in a cluster near a pocket. A ball drops, but you don’t know what they called until you see if they go back to their seat or stay at the table. It doesn’t matter how knowledgeable you are, because the player often just says a word to the ref that you can’t hear, so there’s a delayed response to know what actually happened.

I think a slightly delayed response is a non issue. A slight delay is what happens all the time when a penalty flag gets thrown in football.

 

[Nick B]

Then neither is snooker, where reds need not be called and you can't always know before or after the fact what the player's intent was. Same thing in three cushion, where you can't always tell what the player is or was attempting, but you do know what constitutes a successful shot. Guess we better get rid of one pocket, too, where you also can't always determine the player's intent. Pool only has fans because it was smart enough to evolve past call shot games like straight pool, which are less fan friendly and more difficult to follow than games in which calling is not required. I've heard people suggest that 10ball would overtake 9ball since the late 1990's. It hasn't happened, and it won't happen anytime soon. It's not what the spectators want.

Just for clarity the "colors" (colours in UK/Canada/Commonwealth) only need to be nominated. How and where is not a call shot.

 

[BRussell]

I think a slightly delayed response is a non issue. A slight delay is what happens all the time when a penalty flag gets thrown in football.

That’s football, which is already extremely popular. If you’re trying to get more spectators into pool, I think it helps if things are direct and visual.