Yep - agreed after rewatching. The way Mika yelled at DeLuna made me think DeLuna started it. I can understand why Mika was upset, but that was not really professional IMO.
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This wont be an answer that would satisfy you, but 14.1 was created with two specific requirements: call shot and continuous play with a called shot. Previous continuous pool did not require a called shot off the full rack break. Any change of straight pool then would include a change to non call, which would change the game to something else.
8-ball changed it’s rules many times. It was slop for decades. So when it changed, most professionals were not playing much 8-ball (though professional 8-ball tourneys did exist), and the majority of 8-ball was played in bars. So the change was going to be more from bar players who are used to playing cal-all-the-details, and they did and do complain. For me, I like playing slop 8-ball. Love it, in fact.
So 10-ball… the change from no call to call shot is just the same as trying to change 14.1 to non call. That would totally change the game, and therefore if it happened it should be called something else. For me, it has nothing to do with what is more skillful. The game as a non call shot game had its own nuisances and magic to love and enjoy. The change to call shot makes it a different game. Since many of us played that way and enjoyed it, of course a change to something else is taking away part of what we loved about the game.
It’s as simple as that. Call it something else, but let me continue playing the 10-ball I love.
Mika doing something classless??? Say it ain't so!
That it was even in dispute that Mika called the shot just shows to me how absurd the rule is that every shot has to be formally "called". Calling shots verbally should be required only when there's any ambiguity about the player's intent. All cut shots fall into that category, as well as combos where there's no path from the first object ball to the pocket. Maybe if the second object ball is away from the pocket there might be some question, but in this case Stevie Wonder could've seen what shot was being attempted.
I remember a match where Efren lost a game because he didn't "call" an easy 10 ball. It was a nitty call then, and it was a nitty call tonight. I've never been a Mika fan, and in fact up until that moment I was rooting for DeLuna, but I can't blame Mika a bit for making a big show of calling every shot after that.
I remember a match where Efren lost a game because he didn't "call" an easy 10 ball. It was a nitty call then, and it was a nitty call tonight. I've never been a Mika fan, and in fact up until that moment I was rooting for DeLuna, but I can't blame Mika a bit for making a big show of calling every shot after that.
I'm not a fan of Mika, but in this situation I think the shot was obvious enough that he was playing the 9 ball. Some combos/banks/kicks/caroms are not obvious, but some are, and that one certainly was.
This same thing happened to me in a weekly 8-ball tournament last week. On a kick shot, I said "right in", maybe a bit too quietly, and when I made it my opponent claimed I hadn't called it. I let him have it, partially because I didn't want to argue, and partially because I had no shot on my next ball (the 8 ball). In the end my opponent misplayed a shot terribly and gave me ball in hand, I think he felt a bit guilty.
But anyway, my point is there are some cases of combos/banks/kicks/caroms that might even be more obvious than straight in shots.
This same thing happened to me in a weekly 8-ball tournament last week. On a kick shot, I said "right in", maybe a bit too quietly, and when I made it my opponent claimed I hadn't called it. I let him have it, partially because I didn't want to argue, and partially because I had no shot on my next ball (the 8 ball). In the end my opponent misplayed a shot terribly and gave me ball in hand, I think he felt a bit guilty.
But anyway, my point is there are some cases of combos/banks/kicks/caroms that might even be more obvious than straight in shots.
CanadianGuy
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some rule sets permit a foul for poor conduct, might have been appropriate here as well as sweet sweet irony
between Mika and Earl, how these guys avoid getting smacked is beyond me
between Mika and Earl, how these guys avoid getting smacked is beyond me
So, entirely personal opinion, same as you saying it’s the most well known title
Well, after seeing that kids probably think "damn, they are just like us"
Then you should watch with your kids so you can properly dismiss the faux pas (z) of the people you emptied out on.
No idea what you're end game is but its getting annoying. Nothing you say is going to change how i feel pal. I know what many top players have said(some to me directly) and that is the BF is their favorite 10b event. The WC10b hasn't really been that big of a deal til Pred. revived it.
Again, not to nit-pick but i would never base any pool decision on anything the APA did/does. 8b was always cs where i played. Never saw a pro 8b tournament for a good 20yrs or so after i started playing. Everything was 9ball at the pro level.
Sorry if I was confusing. The APA tidbit was only a for information when people think that APA is slop because it’s an amateur league. The meat of my note is that official 8-ball was slop from its inception (1948 BCA, but was listed sometime before that), and call shot was added as an option only in the early 80’s. Professional 8-ball tournaments (World 8-ball, all-arounds) were slop until the late 80’s.
That really shouldn't matter. Once they assign a ref to this match, he/she makes the calls, not the players.
Tell a casual pool player a pro player is a world champion, and they’ll recognize it. Tell a casual pool player a pro player is the Bigfoot champ, and they’ll ask WTH that means. Everybody wants the title of world champion.
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.
I agree. It wasn't on DeLuna to make the call. But similar to what Yapp did vs Van Boening that time, DeLuna could have either said it was obvious or he heard him call it. Mika started acting like a baby right away though, so I don't really blame DeLuna here.
And Mika is trying to make a living. I bet he doesn't care one bit about you or your kids watching and he shouldn't.
When they start paying them a salary to play pool then that may be different. BUT It sure seems like baseball, basketball, football, soccer players get in actual fist fights all the time and you're butthurt about this???