Bar table specialists
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If someone is labeled a bar table specialist (BTS), they are a lower level pro that would get eaten alive on a 9’ table.
Conversely, if the top pros entered the bar box events, they’d also eat alive the BTS there.
This all reminds me there was a BTS about 15 years ago that publicly challenged Shane. It was an ahead set, or a long race (I forget) for 5k. Shane showed up and BTS no showed. I can’t remember BTS’s name now.
I didn’t read the other responses so forgive me if I repeated anything.
Conversely, if the top pros entered the bar box events, they’d also eat alive the BTS there.
This all reminds me there was a BTS about 15 years ago that publicly challenged Shane. It was an ahead set, or a long race (I forget) for 5k. Shane showed up and BTS no showed. I can’t remember BTS’s name now.
I didn’t read the other responses so forgive me if I repeated anything.
I wouldn't hazard a guess unless I had actual crossover win loss stats. Big variable used to be <where at>. Nowadays conditions have congealed into reliable zones and traveling to steal might be more (pr/t)actical. Or not. I find odds making on skill games befuddling.
Shane grew up on bar tables and played the 2nd best bar table 8-ball I’ve ever seen.
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Does Landon even play these days?
They keep showing this video. Extraordinarily competent play by the kid. Fine job by Daddy Shuffett - including their home table. Preparation meets opportunity. I think most people see this as an anomaly and Earl basically sat this one out.
He teaches school iirc. If he plays he's a weekend warrior most likely.
Except Dave Matlock. On a bar table he was Superman, on a nine footer he was an average pro. imo
Dave just didn't play near as much on a 9ft. If he full time'd it on big box he would have won tournaments. I watched him rob a payball game on a snooker table that had Parica, Efren and James Walden in the game. He was better than average on a big table.
Right, average pro is still a very strong player hehe. Bar table say at 800 level, normal table 750.
Wasn’t there a story about him playing Efren some 3C in Olathe and he held his own pretty good to the point where Efren gave him a pretty big compliment. When I have a chance I’ll see if I can find it.
The Fargo Rating page says 730 to 769 for semi/pro to pro so average pro would be 750 to 770 I would think . 770and up for superpro
I think he was much higher than 800 on a bar box. I don't remember anyone beating him for a period of several years in his prime?
I do think 760 would be the correct number based on his games I have watched on a big table.
I am not knocking him , I am a big fan , and as I said, imo. If I am way off , there are enough pros on here that played against him , let me know.
I also agree that he probably would have almost undoubtedly been superpro level on a 9 footer if he played them more, he has the champions heart, no reason to think he wouldn't.
Yes. ER told Dave he was the best US pool player that played 3c. Dave's hi-run is like 17-18 in 3c. Pretty stout.
I know you didn't ask me, but imo Corey is the best bar table 8 ball player I have ever seen.
This has always been such an interesting question for me, but regarding the european players.
Obviously, Shaw, Melling and Appleton have a ton of bar table experience with what they started their pro careers with, English 8 ball. Mark Selby is an English 8 ball champion aswell as a snooker world champion. Gareth Potts is another bar table champion over there and he transitioned into being a dominant for at chinese 8 ball for years.
So my question is for anyone who has been over there, how do the snooker and pool pros look at the bar table only players? Do they look at them as equal cueists?
Come to think of it, are those tables called bar boxes? I always seem the term bar box and all everyone references are valley tables.
Obviously, Shaw, Melling and Appleton have a ton of bar table experience with what they started their pro careers with, English 8 ball. Mark Selby is an English 8 ball champion aswell as a snooker world champion. Gareth Potts is another bar table champion over there and he transitioned into being a dominant for at chinese 8 ball for years.
So my question is for anyone who has been over there, how do the snooker and pool pros look at the bar table only players? Do they look at them as equal cueists?
Come to think of it, are those tables called bar boxes? I always seem the term bar box and all everyone references are valley tables.
The best bar table 8-ball I have seen is Efren at a barbox tourney a few years ago. That’s one tournament. Actually he came back the next year and didn’t do so well, but that one tournament, it was the best bar table 8-ball I’ve seen.
Was that in Duluth? I watched that and he was en Fuego.
Yes, at the Break Room!
