Cue Ball Frozen to the Short Rail

Tennesseejoe

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When the cue ball is frozen to the short rail and you have a long straight in shot: Do you look at the cue ball last or the object ball last? I find it more accurate/consistent looking at the cue ball last while practicing but difficult to bring myself to do it in a real game. Your opinions will influence me and as in all aspects of life, everybody has an opinion.
 
I’m not sure. Whenever I try to observe the process I find the act of doing so in turn changes the process. Instead of just doing what I’d naturally do I instead find myself artificially forcing myself to make a conscious choice and then it feels unnatural. But in general I’d guess I look at CB last because I think those shots are very prone to miscues and unintentional sidespin/swerve. So I’m usually a little extra intentional with my tip position and straightness of my cue delivery.
 
I always look at the cue ball as I strike it. So does Stephen Hendry. Stephen says Ronnie O'sullivan does as well. Oscar Dominguez replied with, "why would I look anywhere else?" When asked if he looked at the cueball last.
 
A little trick that i use in situations like this, when the o.b is far away from the cueball, cueball on rail, and dead straight in.....i pretend the o.b isnt there, and aim to scratch in the center of the pocket. If it is lined up slightly to one side of the pocket, aim to scratch favoring that side. Its just a simple trick and opinions may vary on it, but i have definitely won games with it.
 
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A little trick that i use in situations like this, when the o.b is far away from the cueball, cueball on rail, and dead straight in.....i pretend the o.b isnt there, and aim to scratch in the center of the pocket. If it is lined up slightly to one side of the pocket, aim to scratch favoring that side. Its just a simple trick and opinions may vary on it, but i have definitely won games with it.

I have used this trick many times when something was awkward about my aim. Fire the cue ball at the center of the pocket or whatever your target is, completely ignoring the object ball. I used to prefer a certain distance and if that meant extending the shot line, no problem!

It doesn't really matter if you look at cue ball last or object ball last as long as you consistently do one or the other. There is a little different parallax I think might be the word for it. Our vision and the actual line have to be united by trial and error. If we aren't consistent what we look at last then we have multiple "right answers" in our memory vault.

I try to get as much length of stroke as I can with the cue ball on the rail. If I am still not comfortable with my stroke ye old slipstroke comes into play. It can make it seem like you are stroking far longer than you are.

Hu
 
When shooting long straight non-rail-frozen shots I can get low enough to have the CB and cue tip visible in my lower peripheral vision as I look at the OB. With the CB frozen to a rail I have to elevate the cue more to avoid miscuing, making it harder to get that visual clearly, but it still works with practice.

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I like to copy my favorite player, Francisco Bustamante.He always looks at the object ball last. Try that and see how it works. Takes a short while to get used to it.
 
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I check the lines to the pocket. Parallel the cue ball and even the slightest offset gives you the angle your stick should be on.
 
I remember watching an Allison Fisher YouTube video where she and Gerda Hofstätter were taking questions. This was one of those questions - cb or ob last??

Both said they normally look at the ob last. The exceptions (when they focus last on exactly where they want to strike the cb) are when the cb is froze to the rail, on jacked up shots, and on jump shots.

Miss-hitting the vertical axis of the cb (even by just 1mm) with an elevated cue causes quite a bit of unwanted massé, which means the cb will not end up where you want it to end up. So on these types of shots it's good to focus on striking the cb as accurately as possible.

For normal shots (where the cue isn't elevated anymore than normal), striking the cb 1 or 2 mm off from where you intend to strike it won't typically result in a drastic difference, as far as where the cb ends up. Of course, if it's a long shot (a lot of distance between the cb and ob), being of by a couple of mm's when striking the cb will probably result in a miss. But for the vast majority of shots, miss-hitting the cb by 1 to 2 millimeters won't cause disaster.
 
With Stephen Hendry speaking to him and Ronnie being cueball last and the terrific camera work. I enjoy studying the various players.
So far I have a list of "Most likely" based on clues. Mark gives a good clue with the movement of the eye brows. All of my observations have his eyes down unless he is goofing around. 😉
Higgins telegraphs with his brows as well. Judd Trump started cueball last and had his earliest coach tell him object ball last. Judd is one of the finest shot makers. My assessment is that the cueball control is the reason for watching the strike to the ball. My list of Probably now includes Luka Brecel. Hmmmmmm.
The immaculate cue ball control is the level required to compete at the Highest Level. Of course Judd's level is Rare Air also. 😉
 
I remember watching an Allison Fisher YouTube video where she and Gerda Hofstätter were taking questions. This was one of those questions - cb or ob last??

Both said they normally look at the ob last. The exceptions (when they focus last on exactly where they want to strike the cb) are when the cb is froze to the rail, on jacked up shots, and on jump shots.

Miss-hitting the vertical axis of the cb (even by just 1mm) with an elevated cue causes quite a bit of unwanted massé, which means the cb will not end up where you want it to end up. So on these types of shots it's good to focus on striking the cb as accurately as possible.

For normal shots (where the cue isn't elevated anymore than normal), striking the cb 1 or 2 mm off from where you intend to strike it won't typically result in a drastic difference, as far as where the cb ends up. Of course, if it's a long shot (a lot of distance between the cb and ob), being of by a couple of mm's when striking the cb will probably result in a miss. But for the vast majority of shots, miss-hitting the cb by 1 to 2 millimeters won't cause disaster.


I respect you and the two ladies. However, I have to say that the conclusion that one or two millimeter off on your contact point usually doesn't matter is wrong. One of the best things anyone can do for their pool game is to learn to hit the cue ball exactly where they intend to, every time.

A pool shot is a chain of events when you think about it. The first event in that chain is striking the cue ball. If there is an error there, it will be compounded by every other event in the chain. "Good enough" ain't! If you can't hit the cue ball exactly where you need to, you need to spend ten or fifteen minutes at the start of every session just hitting the cue ball.

The old deal of hitting the rail and back to the tip is fine but you need to set up a gate at least a few inches from the rail, about six inches is better. At the foot spot works too. Put a ball on the foot spot, then add a ball either side of it. Roll the two side balls out about a quarter tip. Now put your cue ball on this line, at the head spot is fine. Shoot through your gate to the center diamond on the foot rail and back to your tip. When you can do this consistently you are hitting the right spot on the cue ball and stroking straight.

This can be a very tough drill so going back to side to side of the table for starters can a good idea. Also, this shot should be able to be executed at every speed from slow to firm. Most days I just took a couple of firm shots when I played daily. If I came back to the tip with them I could be very sure my stroke was on.

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular but at everyone. If you can't hit the cue ball, how do you expect to make other shots? One or two millimeter off is a roughly 10% to 20% error in your hit. That really isn't acceptable at any level although it is probably pretty common with recreational players with the long open bridges in style today. If I was giving lessons I think I would tell all students to practice hitting the cue ball for a few weeks before coming in for lessons. As I said in the beginning, a shot is a chain of events. If the first event in the chain is off, particularly if you don't recognize the first event is off, you are screwed.

Sorry for the rant. The idea of not being able to hit the cue ball being OK, center ball or off to the side, wherever you intend to, being acceptable got that out of me this morning. A final note, that shot through the gate isn't easy. Three or five in a row at medium speed is enough to move on most days. At first most will have to move on sooner. Don't frustrate yourself with this exercise but you might return to that several times during a session if you are struggling with the drill.

Hu
 
. Put a ball on the foot spot, then add a ball either side of it. Roll the two side balls out about a quarter tip. Now put your cue ball on this line, at the head spot is fine. Shoot through your gate to the center diamond on the foot rail and back to your tip. When you can do this consistently you are hitting the right spot on the cue ball and stroking straight.
This is tough...thanks.
 
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