My Fargorate progression

iusedtoberich said:
It's funny, some of the guys were saying this is awesome for me, and I should be happy my (unestablished) rating is where it is, and do my best to keep it low when it gets established. It was a point of bragging for the rating to be low. I told them I was really trying to win, buying myself in the calcutta, and just getting flat beat, and didn't want my rating low. ha ha.
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I was just spoofing 😜 No one would let you play with such a low robustness. I also have been trying to get my Fargo higher. There are very few opportunities, and I am not getting better, so not happening. I think all the talk about low ratings, and robbing tournaments, is 99% BS. Once you get to 200, your Fargo will be spot on. 400 robustness and up, there is just no way to fake it, and not get caught
 
iusedtoberich said:
It's funny, some of the guys were saying this is awesome for me, and I should be happy my (unestablished) rating is where it is, and do my best to keep it low when it gets established. It was a point of bragging for the rating to be low. I told them I was really trying to win, buying myself in the calcutta, and just getting flat beat, and didn't want my rating low. ha ha.
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Like Mike Page said, when you get a couple hundred games or so in the numbers will not lie.

I always get a kick out of the people who have a couple K games in the system yet still believe themselves to be a better player than the fargo rating says. Ya But!!
 
iusedtoberich said:
It's funny, some of the guys were saying this is awesome for me, and I should be happy my (unestablished) rating is where it is, and do my best to keep it low when it gets established. It was a point of bragging for the rating to be low. I told them I was really trying to win, buying myself in the calcutta, and just getting flat beat, and didn't want my rating low. ha ha.
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So your playing the long game , not many can stick it out. 😉😄😁😆
 
iusedtoberich said:
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I played in my first tournament that reported Fargorate a couple weeks ago. I was not avoiding them, just none were available. It was a local Friday night event, with short races to 2-3 or so depending on fargorate. I think I played three matches, winning one and losing two. After 9 games, I'm at 386. I felt I could have given the 2 players that beat me the 7 ball. Such is pool:)

Two of my buddies that I used to gamble with daily about 20 years ago are in the mid 500's, with approx 400 and 600 robustness. They are the only players in my area I played even with at any time in my life that are in the system. However, none of us have the pool "bug" like we did when we were coming up, as we are in our mid 40's now. Based on this, I think I will end up at 565 if I ever get to a few hundred games. I'll update if I get more games in the system.

Maybe I can match up with people and say I'm a 386:):):)
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Not with a robustness of 9. You're not established.

Anyone who spots you based on your current unestablished rating is a fool or they already know that they can win despite the spot.
 
David in FL said:
I understand what you're saying and don't really disagree, but is it really that hard to interpolate?

Does it really matter if that datapoint is 676 or 677?
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It doesn't really matter because the uncertainty in the value is larger than any likely interpolation error. The actual precise number in the system might be 676.277 but it is plus or minus 7.

Similarly your car could tell you your speed down to 0.01MPH but there's no point because the error in the speedometer system is much larger than that.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It doesn't really matter because the uncertainty in the value is larger than any likely interpolation error. The actual precise number in the system might be 676.277 but it is plus or minus 7.

Similarly your car could tell you your speed down to 0.01MPH but there's no point because the error in the speedometer system is much larger than that.
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Beyond that, I'm trying to understand what benefit someone could hope to derive from knowing an exact particular Fargo rate for someone from say three months ago.

Even my special brand of OCD can't comprehend that… 😁
 
David in FL said:
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I'm genuinely curious. Why?
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No worries. If anything I'm being difficult by not immediately explaining myself...lol

There's different points of view and obsessive mindsets in the game. Now fargo itself will tell you that there's really no difference between players 10-20 pts apart. ...and statistically speaking that's of course correct, and not really my motivation behind wanted accurate feedback on the line graph. I would like to be to see the minor fluctuations in my rating cross referenced to date when the update occurred. I could use that data to determine how my performance between updates effected my rating.

I wouldn't expect this code to be written from scratch, but it's already there. The dashboard just needs to display it.
 
The_JV said:
I could use that data to determine how my performance between updates effected my rating.
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The rating of people you have played in the past can affect your rating as well. This is why your rating can change when you have not been playing at all.
You might get some idea, but there's more to it than your current wins and losses.
 
Coos Cues said:
I don't think so. Define easily. Throw games to what end? For some big payday once in a year or maybe a lifetime? Big meaning a week's pay for a working man.

No, this may sound good on paper but in the real world even dumb pool players can figure out the futility of some scheme like this.
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Its possible now. Take someone experienced, lets say an A player, but took some time away from the game. Now he's back 10 years later, Fargo is brand new to him and there are Fargo 599 and under tournaments for 40k first prize. Maybe his real rating should be a 650. But he plays on the stall for a few months in rinky dink weekly events. And/or plays Saloto matches for $10 sets against weaker players and stalls. Maybe (likely) they are even his old buddies from years back, and they even help him. Gets 300 games in the system at a 550, or whatever minimum that 40k event has. Goes and wins the 40k event. He's got the perfect excuse, he can say he has not gotten in stroke yet, since he quit for 10 years. It will happen...

In the absense of these huge events, its a complete waste of time. But now that they are here, players just getting exposed to Fargo can take advantage. It could be seen as a goal to set up for. Like in the old days we all love reading about, a top road man (pro speed) would play like a C player for a month straight to take off the owner of a room.

Take me for example, I stink, so it would be pointless for me. But if there was a 400 and below event for huge money, it may tempt me to stall for a few months of weekly events at $20 entry fee a pop.

Pool is really growing again, after 15 years of decline. There are a lot of good players just coming back to the game who can do this.
 
Sheldon said:
The rating of people you have played in the past can affect your rating as well. This is why your rating can change when you have not been playing at all.
You might get some idea, but there's more to it than your current wins and losses.
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Agree complete and understood prior to making the wish list item. However the biggest factor is win/losses.

and again though... not something I would request if it needed to be written from scratch. The data is there. Just need a numerical data field
 
The_JV said:
On the app that do have that nice line graph. I don't know if it's plotted with any real accuracy but it would be nice if they simply provided a field that displayed the value of the cursor. I mean you have the data to plot the line. Why not tell us what that number was...?
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Is this the Fargo app? Does it have all your data? I have only the digitalpool website currently, and it seems to tap into my fargo rating (from the fargo company), but it only shows matches and robustness of data that was input into digital pool tournament brackets.
 
iusedtoberich said:
But now that they are here, players just getting exposed to Fargo can take advantage. It could be seen as a goal to set up for. Like in the old days we all love reading about, a top road man (pro speed) would play like a C player for a month straight to take off the owner of a room.
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What's the point? This happened a LOT MORE when there wasn't a rating system this good in place.
Fargo is not to blame for inherent problems with rating systems.
Yes, it's possible for someone to shyster their way into a tournament, but Fargo's system makes it much less likely than most. And if it's blatant enough, it will only work once.
The person might get banned from certain events as well.
I don't think I've ever heard of any 599 and under tourneys for $40K. Nothing even close to that.
 
Sheldon said:
What's the point? This happened a LOT MORE when there wasn't a rating system this good in place.
Fargo is not to blame for inherent problems with rating systems.
Yes, it's possible for someone to shyster their way into a tournament, but Fargo's system makes it much less likely than most. And if it's blatant enough, it will only work once.
The person might get banned from certain events as well.
I don't think I've ever heard of any 599 and under tourneys for $40K. Nothing even close to that.
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I agree, it would be difficult to do, and only possible with certain circumstances. There was just a 50k first place tournament for 599 and under players. I think the first and only ever of its kind. But probably there may be more in the future that are similar.

$1000 entry tourney at Chester's in OKC -- anyone go?

Did anyone here go to the big tournament that just happened in Oklahoma City? It was 9-ball on bar boxes, race to 11. Under 600 FargoRate. $1000 to get in. 128 players.
forums.azbilliards.com
 
Sheldon said:
Yes, it's possible for someone to shyster their way into a tournament, but Fargo's system makes it much less likely than most. And if it's blatant enough, it will only work once.
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Yeah, it seems like it would take a LOT of work to game the system effectively. I guess I could dump 50 $300 tournaments in preparation for a $50,000 tournament, but I still have a decent chance of losing there, too. A player who is improving rapidly could stay in front of their Fargo, and wear out the practice table for a couple of months before a big tournament, but if someone is putting in that kind of work, I don't think they are gaming the system, I think they have earned it. That, and I think significant gains at the 550+ level take a lot of work.
 
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