Reason for “expensive “ chalk

sbrownn said:
Direct reply to @BigBoof and the rest of the members in this thread:

How old is your tip and is it due for a replacement? Most layered tips start hardening up around 6 to 9 months or so...
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I have had a tip glaze over before and that can be the case for me, as can my stroke. Saying all of that, switching to Triangle eliminated the miscues that night.

I do wonder if the newer chalks are not abrasive enough to naturally wear the tip.



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Just ordered 4pk of longoni blue diamond chalk to try along with a chalk pouch bag given I hate the holders (I want nothing around my piece of chalk or anything hanging from it). This will probably be my last attempted chalk upgrade trial. I've tried the old predator and didn't like it but I will play with it and always go back to master blue. I think a new tip every 6 to 9 months is important and I usually get a G2 soft cut with a slight inward taper so there is no ferrule overlap of the tip, even if it mushrooms a bit. Unfortunately, until very recently, it has been tough to find a good tip and shaft person in the Seattle area.
 
NathanDetroit said:
The comments, before AO brought up chalk, were about rain and humidity. This I understood as I think a skid is when the CB slides on the cloth rather than rolling.

What I did not understand was how the CB jumped off the bed when it contacted the ob. Also, CB hopped once when it contacted the rail. Are either of these situations caused by friction?
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The CB is often airborne as a function of the shot. At the correct distance (a couple feet) you can hop right over a dime on the cloth with a normal center ball stroke. This effect compounded with the backwards gearing when chalk gets involved causes the already airborne CB to climb further up the object ball. Net effect, the dead collision and CB hop/OB skid/profanity foul.
 
NathanDetroit said:
The comments, before AO brought up chalk, were about rain and humidity. This I understood as I think a skid is when the CB slides on the cloth rather than rolling.
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That's logical, but I think "skid" is more often used for the ball/ball effect.

NathanDetroit said:
What I did not understand was how the CB jumped off the bed when it contacted the ob. Also, CB hopped once when it contacted the rail. Are either of these situations caused by friction?
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CB jumping off the rail can be caused by:
- extra friction combined with extra top spin, or
- the ball's already hopping and hits higher on the rail, or
- the rail nose is too low to begin with (causing lots of hopping)

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Shane was not the only player experiencing weird cue ball movement during the tournament. The conditions on the TV table left a lot of players scratching their heads.
 
Taom is worth it to me just for how clean it is, and it is very long lasting (provided it doesn't roll away and get damaged when it falls off the rail eventually). I really can't say I've noticed a difference in skids between chalks, but I'm not exactly on the look out either.

But the "chalk/skid" discussion isn't just relegated to pool: I remember watching a snooker match years ago where Ronnie got a few kicks and the commentators made a similiar comment about he was one of the few guys who still uses Silver Cup or Triangle.

I can't remember if it was the same snooker match or another, but both players got so many skids they swapped the ball sets out. Not entirely sure that solved the issue since I only have a vague recollection of the match. I have noticed though my odds of a skid are greatest right after I run the balls through the Ballstar cleaner with the provided cleaning solution.
 
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:rolleyes: This again.

There is one born every minute. But I guess, as useless expensive products go, expensive chalk is not the worst. If you pick an exotic brand, you may be the only one who has it, which makes it easy to keep track of. Unfortunately you REALLY need to keep track of the chalk, because it 'WILL get stolen otherwise. I mean 20 dollars isn't a whole lot, though some go for 40 now. It adds up, once you lose a couple. But they have got awesome karate word names, so that's pretty cool.

Round chalk is the absolute worst. I got one for free at a big tournament, I got nervous and it slipped out of my fingers, rolling across almost the entire venue. And it was a large venue, too. Embarrasing to be the idiot crawling around looking for his chalk at a televised event. Gee I wonder why everyone went away from round chalk and stayed away from it until extremely recently?

If you want less skids, play firmer shots and use outside english. Don't slow stun or slow follow your cut shots. Jim Rempe figured all of this out in the 70's and 80's and it's not only him that figured this out. He was probably one of the more consistent followers of this advice, though he was not the first and certainly not the only person using it. It's not exactly hidden knowledge. But why do that work and thinking when you can buy something instead?
 
WobblyStroke said:
Really? That's a crazy long time to go without the chalk residue on the CB lining up with the contact point of the balls. I got a skid yesterday. Feels like months since the last one I noticed. But 30 years? That's gotta be the most useless lotto to win ever.
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I didn't say it had been 30 years - just not recently enough to remember the last one (probably weeks).

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8cree said:
I thought it was funny him asking for the cue to be cleaned as I watched the last match on youtube. Now I get it. Yea, he's prolly done with masters.
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He lost a game where he had easy put and the ball before the 8 ball it skidded and put him behind a ball. That was the one game he didn’t ask to have it cleaned
 
skogstokig said:
both can be true. ronnie-o was long said to get less skids than other snooker players because of his cue action. then they all played with masters/triangle. now he's the only one left using triangle or traditional chalk, and i doubt it's still true that he gets less skids.
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Yeah, ronnie and judd are the only ones left using the green triangle. Though Ronnie's recent win in china. He was using something else. That may of been, down to the conditions out there.
 
8cree said:
I thought it was funny him asking for the cue to be cleaned as I watched the last match on youtube. Now I get it. Yea, he's prolly done with masters.
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Bustamonte lost a game, maybe a match, early in an event due to a skid. For the rest of the event he had the cue ball cleaned a lot! The ref's wore out their shoes walking around to clean the cue ball for him. Not that I blame him.

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Jedco said:
Shane was not the only player experiencing weird cue ball movement during the tournament. The conditions on the TV table left a lot of players scratching their heads.
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I think it’s entirely possible the cloth is a contributing factor here too as I noticed the same thing. I’ve played on Arcadia a few times and I’ll just say it makes you really appreciate Simonis.
 
KUKABUKA said:
I may have misheard but Albin said most guys use cleaner chalk "like predator or even Kamui"

I know he's sponsored by them and all but wowwww man in my experience predator chalk is horrendously messy (haven't used their new extra super duper premium stuff)

As a table owner - I will never use messy chalk again

After Shane got so bothered with skids today will he come out with a fresh Taom deal?? Doubtful, but it's a neat theory.
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This.
When I bought my new ProAm last year, I tried Masters, Triangle, Tiger, Magic, Predator, and Blue Diamond.
Predator was BY FAR the most messy of the bunch. Granted, most were purchased off Amazon, and I've heard that some chalk is counterfeit on that site. I switched to V10, and got 8 good months or of a piece. It's still got a little left, so I'll say 9 months for the life of a chalk. Masters lasts me 1 month per cube. The point is, the V10 allows me to vacuum my table every couple months rather than every couple weeks. I have not noticed a difference in miscue frequency, but that could be due to chalking less with V10 than I did with the blue stuff.
 
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