Mass Shooting At Maine Pool Hall & Bowling Alley

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Patrick Johnson said:
The right wing solution for too many guns? More guns, of course.

You guys should be getting paid by the gun industry.

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That's where the disconnect is.

Guns aren't the problem.

Bad guys are the problem.

Sadly, it's virtually impossible to stop bad people from doing bad things if they want to.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Bad guys or crazy guys or guys having a bad day or drunk guys or suicidal guys (or women or children)…
…with guns.

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Just go ask them if you can have theirs. Apparently these people are reasonable and would follow anti gun laws according to you. I'm sure they'd just give you their guns if you asked. Be proactive. Get out there and make a difference
 
Garzer. Go in peace. I respect your opinion. My firearm experience is pretty extensive and more than enough to form my own opinion. Til I'm done breathing, you will never convince me on either the pistol equaling a rifle or a.223 is a good deer cartridge. Is that what you hunt with? Maybe our deer are just bigger up here.
 
buckshotshoey said:
That's why as a responsible citizen, you should be prepared. By prepared, I mean armed. I've been carrying since my state issued concealed carry. Thank God I haven't had to use it. But I'm prepared if necessary.

While on the subject, Americans removing God from their lives is the biggest cause of all of or problems. The further we remove ourselves from God, the deeper we slide into the abyss.
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Amen!
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Very true, Jay.

Something else to consider, I believe, is how many of these mass shootings are being perpetrated by people with known mental issues where some form of intervention should have taken place. I live in CT a state with one of if not the toughest gun ownership laws in the US, made even tougher following the Sandy Hook tragedy. Speaking of which, the mother of the shooter at Sandy Hook watched her son spiraling downward into the abyss of mental illness. He got to the point where he was painting his bedroom windows black and when she took him into town for haircuts he was making those in the salon very uncomfortable. Apparently this mom wanted to have a shared hobby with her son and for some reason that hobby was target shooting. The decision she made not to cut off his access to his guns cost her her life plus a lot of school children and teachers at the school he shot up. Talk about missed opportunity. Man oh man.

The subject case of this thread, the mass shooter in Maine, the warning flags were flying real high. He made a threat against his military unit saying he was gonna shoot them up. He was recently in the hospital for observation for 2 weeks for his deteriorating mental status. He is a gun expert and an instructor. How could it be that there was no intervention by anyone to separate someone like this from their weapons? We shouldn't have to be Monday morning quarterbacking. This was another missed opportunity.

The Uvalde TX shooter, Salvatore Ramos, showed lots of signs of mental instability. He made open threats against women, carried around a dead cat and get this, he was nicknamed "School Shooter" prior ro actually shooting and killing so many at Robb Elementary School. Shouldn't there have been an intervention that could have prevented someone like him from buying a rifle? I think this was another missed opportunity.

If we go back there's plenty more examples (Gabby Gifford, John Lennon, Reagan, etc) where there could have been restrictions place that could have prevented tragedies. Missed opportunities.

Imo, the best we can do is to impose sensible restrictions (OR ACT ON RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE) on those who show signs of mental instability that can be turned into violent acts. Enacting new laws that will make it hard(er) for law-abiding citizens to access, own or legally carry guns is an overreach.

Please keep in mind that gang members, thugs, generally bad actors, they don't give a crap about rules. They will *always* have guns and all varieties of them.

All above is jmo.

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brian kc

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I think part of the problem is inconsideration for others. It's rampant.
 
Monti said:
The shootings have 2 things in common, mentally unstable and guns! I come from a country that doesn’t have gun ownership like the States and we have massively disproportionately less Mass shooting deaths. Now is this because of ease of access to guns or does the US just have more mentally unstable people?
I’m sure you have heard all this before and am genuinely interested to know your thoughts. Australia had a mass shooting, guns were banned and guess what , no more mass shootings! Yes a few crazed knifing incidents but I’d rather a nutter enter a pool room with a knife than a rifle.
I appreciate you will never remove guns from the states but type restrictions and controls can only lead to less of these events surely?
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Evidence suggests that the number of guns in Australia may now be higher than before Port Arthur.

Gun policy research shows that the total number of firearm imports to Australia since 2008 has been consistently higher than figures recorded in 1996 (although the same statistics show there was a sudden spike of imports in 1997).

A 2021 article published by the University of Sydney also found that, while the proportions of Australians that hold a gun license and Australian households with a firearm have fallen dramatically since 1997, people who already owned guns have bought more.

It added that government figures on imports of modern firearms for private owners now "fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year."

Furthermore, a 2019 report by The Australia Institute stated the number of guns per gun owner in the country had increased from 2.1 guns per gun owner since 1997 to 3.9. Additionally, it found the number of firearms reported in Australia were higher than pre-Port Arthur levels.

So, while Australia's changes to gun ownership laws have made possession a far more stringent process, and some illegal firearms have been bought back by the state after the law was passed, it hasn't resulted in a "surrender" by private owners.

There is also evidence to suggest that the changes to Australia's gun laws have correlated with a reduction in mass shootings.

However, the accuracy of the claim that gun laws have eradicated mass shootings in part depends on the definition of such a crime.

A RAND Corporation analysis of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 defines mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people have been killed.

In a separate report on mass shootings in the United States, RAND also highlighted disagreement on whether a mass shooting can only be referred to as such if it took place in a public setting.
 
23DenaliBDE said:
You live in a country without gun ownership and have FEWER mass shootings???? Why would you have any shootings of any kind? Also, what country? So everyone tired of rights knows where to move.
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The Uk and obviously by no guns I meant relative to the ridiculous ease with which they are attainable in the states.
“Tired of rights “ , what a silly thing to say, it’s not about the rights it’s about maintaining rights in a sensible manner. The states has the most gun deaths per capita, you cannot argue that fact, although I’m pretty sure the guy who went running around shooting people in Maine was as just exercising his rights!!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
For the same reason I don't want armed law abiding citizens living next door. They're only law abiding until they aren't, and then it's too late.

"I need a gun for protection" is an NRA marketing slogan.

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So your saying by owning an AR15, I am a future mass shooter?

Think of it this way.... your wife is equipped to be a prostitute, but she's not...is she?

More people are killed by cigarettes then guns. Outlaw cigarettes? What about drunk drivers? Outlaw alcohol?
 
Monti said:
The Uk and obviously by no guns I meant relative to the ridiculous ease with which they are attainable in the states.
“Tired of rights “ , what a silly thing to say, it’s not about the rights it’s about maintaining rights in a sensible manner. The states has the most gun deaths per capita, you cannot argue that fact, although I’m pretty sure the guy who went running around shooting people in Maine was as just exercising his rights!!
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He had the right to shoot people? Let me know when you grow a brain
 
Patrick Johnson said:
For the same reason I don't want armed law abiding citizens living next door. They're only law abiding until they aren't, and then it's too late.

"I need a gun for protection" is an NRA marketing slogan.

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I absolutely believe you should have the right to live in a gun free zone. If you don't want to move to Chicago (where there are no guns, because they're illegal) just put a big sign on your house proudly proclaiming your gun free zone. I support you
 
Patrick Johnson said:
For the same reason I don't want armed law abiding citizens living next door. They're only law abiding until they aren't, and then it's too late.

"I need a gun for protection" is an NRA marketing slogan.

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sorry brother but people that think like this are often victims of crime. surely you don't think that calling the police will save you. what they'll bring is yellow tape and a body bag. what would you use for protection? baseball bat? taser? big stick? good luck with that.
 
What i find ironic is how cities with some of the strictest gun regulations have some of the highest gun related crime. Most if not all of them have a democrat mayor, democrat majority city council and a democrat D.A. They often fail to enforce laws already on the books along with ultra lenient bail policies. Take care of your own shitholes before slinging shit about how the rest of us should act.
 
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