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Flakeandrun
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Since the dawn of cue sports, that division is/was initially caused by exposure to the game and ability afforded to play... not some supposed in-built ability to hold a stick and aim better... Women were not afforded the time, or opportunity to be in a place to reach the same level. they are set-back from the very moment they pick up a cue. Attitudes are deeply ingrained overtime. It shows in this thread. They were literally excluded from entering billiard halls for a period of time in history... Modern creation of playing divisions was created not to support women, but to stop those few women skilled enough to embarrass men from doing just that... I still see fragile egos of men regularly in competition where I am based now... with the ridiculous removal of the final ball for women in Chinese-8... separate divisions in general are/were created to protect the fragile ego of men, not to give women a space to play, it's sad that narrative is pushed on women to be honest... it's also sad that they lap that up, instead of pushing for more opportunities and neutral spaces for the next generation of women (and male) young players to play. What needs to happen is more opportunities for women to take up the game at a younger age, not just because their family member plays... The reason many women are still under the level of men is sheer exposure and desire to play the game, they are out-weighed in number, and the game itself is targeted towards men, in traditionally 'male' spaces, which is something that also needs to change. But in actuality, it is hard to do so when it's a game that makes an awful lot of money from bar culture and testosterone fuelled advertising aimed at men, men who think having a stick with a masculine name is going to make them play better... Everything from the vocabulary used, to the supposed 'opportunities' given to women... Cuesports has been manufactured in a way that encourages and instigates further domination by men, and they have been that way since their inception... and it looks like it will be that way for the foreseeable future. Until cues and competitions stop being named 'cock enlarging mega blaster' or 'big dick's 9ball smash', and young girls and boys are encouraged to play with a non-biased love for the game at a grassroots level.
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I have no ill will against trans people whatsoever, as a matter of fact with my time living in the keys I'd say "they" are some of the most enjoyable people to be around given their surroundings are controlled and there's no conflict. Unfortunately that's not the world we live in. I wish them the best of luck, I just hope it's in the gender of their birth. It's really not fair to women to compete against biological men - sad thing is, I could lose my job for saying this. What a fu#%=d up time we live in where the truth cannot be spoken for fear of losing everything.
Let's all keep in mind, that this phenomenon of "inter-gender" sport is a relatively new social construct. Hopefully common sense prevails, and the integrity of these sporting events is protected/maintained.
I don't have all of the particulars concerning this specific event. That being said, it appears as if the contestant was within the framework of the rules, as it relates to this particular tournament.
Whether "we" agree, or disagree with this players angle/decision to compete, if they were within the "rules" to do so, then the "issue" needs to be addressed at the appropriate level. Attacking the individual, as opposed to dealing with this issue at it's core, only perpetuates a culture of anger and division, IMO.
I don't have all of the particulars concerning this specific event. That being said, it appears as if the contestant was within the framework of the rules, as it relates to this particular tournament.
Whether "we" agree, or disagree with this players angle/decision to compete, if they were within the "rules" to do so, then the "issue" needs to be addressed at the appropriate level. Attacking the individual, as opposed to dealing with this issue at it's core, only perpetuates a culture of anger and division, IMO.
Agendas are gonna agenda
This clearly shows a man wanting to be a woman has no advantage over actual women
When your life/job etc. Are threatened, of course people are gonna bend to it. I for one am sick and f#%$>&g tired of denying reality. If 300+ million of us stood up in the face of being canceled by the left we wouldn't have this shit. I'm done with it and have been searching my soul to leave this oppression behind. The answer is becoming more clear every day and I'm having a hard time looking in the mirror every morning. While the overall thought comes from a place of inclusion, the result destroys millions of lives that just want to be left alone without propaganda shoved down their throats
I know a few posting in this thread that can’t figure out a way to be productive and less inflammatory.
@Flakeandrun
How long have you had penis fixation?
How long have you had penis fixation?
It’s a free market. If you you don’t like the actions and free will of consumers to exercise their free speech with their pocketbooks then maybe China or Russia are a better place for you.
What’s your point?
The truth is that you’re the one who’s struggling with reality. Your inability to understand the difference between gender identity and born sex is your shortcoming.
Your first sentence is a lie and wildly inconsistent with your last sentence.
If your first sentence were true you’d understand and reconcile what gender identity is but you refuse to acknowledge it and continue to run out same old inflammatory rhetoric while trying to cover it up by stating you have no issue with trans people.
Clearly you do and your consistent failure to acknowledge the difference in gender identity vs born sex is proof of that.
What it boils down to is you lean into fear mongering and don’t have the courage to be forthright in your prejudices because you know it’ll completely negate any argument from you.
It’s a weak attempt to disparage people while trying to sound level headed.
Pretty easy to see right through you.
It was an impediment to discussion.
No particular disagreement with your overall sentiment. That being said, the way to "combat" the issue most effectively IMO, is to address the issue at the appropriate level (legislation, governing bodies, tournament committees, etc).
Tearing down another human being, without compassion, or understanding, is counterproductive IMO. Remember Jason, hatred must have a vessel, to be carried. Don't be that vessel. IMO hatred is like an opiod...It's a VERY temporary "fix," that generally causes more problems than it solves.
I didn’t catch where you discussed anything. Just a lame attempt to antagonize another member.
This is what a level headed response looks like. No fear mongering. No intolerance.
I support the lgtbq community full stop.
I would also support a tournament director and any legislation that preserves fair competition.
For the record I employ and am around a lot of lgtbq people. None of which are advocates for trans people competing with women. That is such a tiny niche group and it predominantly consists of msm sensationalists.
Any concept of cancel culture around trans and women’s sports is largely unfounded. I’m not saying nonexistent but it’s minuscule. No one would cancel this tournament if it was born women only. The rest is just anti trans fear mongering.
Mostly trans people just want to not be shit on. To take a leak without men assaulting them verbally or accusing them of imaginary sexual assault and grooming. No ones trying to penetrate your daughter in a bathroom.
Most trans people who compete are competing where they’re told they can compete. Outside of that outrageous trans swimmer we have few examples of trans people forcing their way into women’s competitions.
Flakeandrun
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How long has this sport?
Flakeandrun
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I guess what I am talking about here, much like J2pac was advocating, was open competition where gender plays no role. Handicapped based on skill-level. How we reach that, and how that happens fairly in the long-term is what needs discussion... How we get more young people playing the game, loving the game, without the need for gender to even play a factor. Currently, the reason such a divide in gender exists, is because it is forced. It's not a case of biology regarding cue sports, it's a case of social engineering and where the money keeps on flowing...simply undeniable (unless you have your eyes closed and fingers in your ears)
Someone's chosen identity shouldn't even bear any relevance in cuesports. Separate division shouldn't exist, and young talent should be encouraged and nurtured in the right way, in a way that actually promotes interest in the sport beyond the stereotypes that have been applied for generations. Isn't that what should be aimed for if we want the sport to grow? Does all of this discussion actually come from dinosaurs missing the feeling of the 'old days', the exclusivity or belonging it brought them (IDENTITY) and they are incapable or threatened by someone taking that away from them... It's almost as if it's not really about gender, but that gender is used to keep the money flowing to the right pockets, to keep those who feel important feeling that way... it's almost like the discussion about MR changing pocket sizes
... accept this has the ability to damage, and diminish a persons right to be who they want...
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Ya, forget the women. Nobody wants to watch them anyway. I mean, they got Title 9, and the right to vote. What else do they need? Get a home table in their kitchen if they don't want to play against the men, right? That way the pretend ladies aren't offended
The rights of women to play are not the same in every country.
If there is a public fight for the role of women, it is what Kelly Fisher says it is.
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