Pros and Cons Gambling

Gambling didn't hurt me as a pool player, wagering to be picky. According to my state, gambling is betting on something you have no control over outside of a casino. They say special conditions apply and in those exact words when I read the law, "gambling in a casino is not gambling"! Interestingly they define a wager between competitors as not gambling either since the players control the outcome. Betting between competitors is legal, betting on the rail isn't nor is betting between a competitor and the rail.

Talking about my individual pool game, betting didn't do a whole lot good or bad because I took the pressure off about two years into starting serious play. Want to feel a butt puckering gamble, bet $100,000 on a loan to open a small business. Money you don't have and you will be working ten years to repay if the business fails. Betting twenty or fifty bucks on a pool table? Even in the sixties all I felt was the desire for other people's money, I never worried about losing.

I had been playing about two years when I realized I was up more than ten thousand by any estimate, one small bet at a time. It wasn't possible that I was going to risk $10,000 in one night so pool was risk free looking at it in the long term. All I was risking each night was a small bit of my profits in the ever rolling pool game I was playing.

All I ever did was put money on challenge tables or let people come to me so in my years playing nightly pool I never considered myself a hustler. It wasn't until coming to AZB that I learned that what I considered just laying a spread for a hustler to walk into was considered hustling too.

What I did face was perception. I never called myself a pool player even when I made my living at it. It was just a fill in between occupations. However, most of my male cousins of the same age saw things differently and would invariably mention at the huge family get togethers we had then, 100-200 people, that I was a pool player. Resulted in two things, being asked by one or another great aunts if I was a hustler, and having one cousin or another who had a pool or snooker table at home insisting I couldn't beat them. I stayed out of things for the most part, gently explaining to great aunts that all pool players weren't hustlers as they perceived them, and eventually going find a pool table to also gently educate those that thought they could beat me, sticking to my personal rules of no bets with friends and family, even a couple of jerks I was sorely tempted to take off!

Gambling doesn't hurt pool. The image of some lowlife hustler trying to trick children and the innocent and take their money did and does. There is far more hustling done on a golf course than was ever done on a pool table. The great Titanic Thompson often played pool or poker with someone primarily to get them on a golf course where he did his real hustling.

It isn't gambling that hurts pool today when people can stop for a cold coke and a few scratch-offs on a hot afternoon, it is people's perception of pool that hurts. Unfortunately, like many falsehoods, it seems to be something that constantly renews itself. I'll be tottering around in an old folks home and when somebody mentions I play pool somebody else will ask if I am a hustler. That unshakeable perception is what hurts pool.

Hu
 
Gambling harms butt hurt, mamma's boy losers who cannot fade a loss like a man. If one is unable to win and lose like a man, they best not gamble. Such folks should not, however, criticize our game because of their personal inadequacies. I have never seen anyone coerced into gambling by anyone or anything, other than by their own ego. I have lived in and around pool for many years. Do I like to gamble? You bet your ass. But there were some periods during which I could not afford to seriously gamble due to my lack of funds. I could not afford it, so I didn't participate. My inability never resulted in any negative attitudes or repercussions in any pool milieu I ever encountered.
 
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Gambling made the sport popular but infected it as well. America also popularized electricity distribution but hideous suspended power lines are scars, which other nations that followed in innovation don’t have (underground wires).

Personally it depends on your goals.

Some like myself enjoy the peace and tranquility, brain and motor skill exercise, puzzle solving aspect of it and are happy playing by themselves most of the time to relax. Competition is secondary. I will play one pocket for $10 a game, very rarely $20.

Others don’t engage in any skill unless it can stroke their ego. Why do anything if you can’t show you are better than others, tribal mentality of winning. Financial risk is romantic? I never thought so.
 
I'll be tottering around in an old folks home and when somebody mentions I play pool somebody else will ask if I am a hustler. That unshakeable perception is what hurts pool.
an insightful point

interesting in many ways

your term unshakable

is beautiful, tragic, and condemning

and so far accurate
 
For decades pool has been so intertwined with gambling, and particularly, hustling, that seedy pool halls and sharks robbing hapless suckers are now the permanent image of pool for huge numbers of people. This is one reason, among many, that pool has struggled in this country for decades. Gambling may be good for particular individuals but it’s hard to argue that it has helped the game as a whole. Although a number of factors contribute to a sport’s long term popularity, image is at the leading edge. While Europeans undoubtedly gamble a lot on pool the emphasis that they apparently place on pool academies/clubs, teams, and coaching not only undergirds European player development, but also the overall image of the game for many Europeans.

On another note, I’m always amazed at the people (notably, always the gamblers) who insist that gambling is the only way to get better. The issue is what motivates a particular individual. For some people, that may well be gambling. For others the stakes of staying in a tournament, winning league MVP or just beating their opponent provide plenty of motivation. Gambling may well be the only thing that motivates some people to improve their game but that doesn’t mean it’s the only motivation for everyone.
You can't hustle an honest person - they entered that game thinking they were the shark. F em

Also, the people dumb enough to believe "you have to gamble to get better"🤣 ask a barber if you need a haircut
 
Gambling didn't hurt me as a pool player, wagering to be picky. According to my state, gambling is betting on something you have no control over outside of a casino. They say special conditions apply and in those exact words when I read the law, "gambling in a casino is not gambling"! Interestingly they define a wager between competitors as not gambling either since the players control the outcome. Betting between competitors is legal, betting on the rail isn't nor is betting between a competitor and the rail.

Talking about my individual pool game, betting didn't do a whole lot good or bad because I took the pressure off about two years into starting serious play. Want to feel a butt puckering gamble, bet $100,000 on a loan to open a small business. Money you don't have and you will be working ten years to repay if the business fails. Betting twenty or fifty bucks on a pool table? Even in the sixties all I felt was the desire for other people's money, I never worried about losing.

I had been playing about two years when I realized I was up more than ten thousand by any estimate, one small bet at a time. It wasn't possible that I was going to risk $10,000 in one night so pool was risk free looking at it in the long term. All I was risking each night was a small bit of my profits in the ever rolling pool game I was playing.

All I ever did was put money on challenge tables or let people come to me so in my years playing nightly pool I never considered myself a hustler. It wasn't until coming to AZB that I learned that what I considered just laying a spread for a hustler to walk into was considered hustling too.

What I did face was perception. I never called myself a pool player even when I made my living at it. It was just a fill in between occupations. However, most of my male cousins of the same age saw things differently and would invariably mention at the huge family get togethers we had then, 100-200 people, that I was a pool player. Resulted in two things, being asked by one or another great aunts if I was a hustler, and having one cousin or another who had a pool or snooker table at home insisting I couldn't beat them. I stayed out of things for the most part, gently explaining to great aunts that all pool players weren't hustlers as they perceived them, and eventually going find a pool table to also gently educate those that thought they could beat me, sticking to my personal rules of no bets with friends and family, even a couple of jerks I was sorely tempted to take off!

Gambling doesn't hurt pool. The image of some lowlife hustler trying to trick children and the innocent and take their money did and does. There is far more hustling done on a golf course than was ever done on a pool table. The great Titanic Thompson often played pool or poker with someone primarily to get them on a golf course where he did his real hustling.

It isn't gambling that hurts pool today when people can stop for a cold coke and a few scratch-offs on a hot afternoon, it is people's perception of pool that hurts. Unfortunately, like many falsehoods, it seems to be something that constantly renews itself. I'll be tottering around in an old folks home and when somebody mentions I play pool somebody else will ask if I am a hustler. That unshakeable perception is what hurts pool.

Hu
It's also what draws interest
 
Gambling made the sport popular but infected it as well. America also popularized electricity distribution but hideous suspended power lines are scars, which other nations that followed in innovation don’t have (underground wires).

Personally it depends on your goals.

Some like myself enjoy the peace and tranquility, brain and motor skill exercise, puzzle solving aspect of it and are happy playing by themselves most of the time to relax. Competition is secondary. I will play one pocket for $10 a game, very rarely $20.

Others don’t engage in any skill unless it can stroke their ego. Why do anything if you can’t show you are better than others, tribal mentality of winning. Financial risk is romantic? I never thought so.
The country LOVES mob stories and pool is the problem???? Bunch of clowns
 
It's also what draws interest

A lot of things draw interest. It doesn't mean positive interest. Not one parent in a thousand wants their child to grow up to be a pool player. If I had a child or grandchild with athletic talent I would steer them almost anywhere except pool. A failure at golf makes far more than the average successful pool player. A quick glance shows the top golfer played in 23 events this year, winning twice. He made over $21,000,000, averaging almost a million an event.

Hu
 
Pool long ago for me became a game primarily enjoyed at home or in other private settings. I'll play socially at a bar, but usually only if stuck out of town or meeting a larger group than I'd want to host at home.

I kinda don't care about pro pool, what the general public thinks of pool or whether gambling is a big part of it.
 
Pool long ago for me became a game primarily enjoyed at home or in other private settings. I'll play socially at a bar, but usually only if stuck out of town or meeting a larger group than I'd want to host at home.

I kinda don't care about pro pool, what the general public thinks of pool or whether gambling is a big part of it.
I'm kind of in the same boat. Love playing the wife or friends on the home table. I hang out league night (Monday) at the bar, rarely playing. I play a session every now and then but mostly, I just like being around the game and socializing. Even in the sessions I do play in, I don't often actually play. I mostly keep score, give timeouts, and generally give encouragement to my teammates. Just love the game and being around it.

I don't like anything "pro" when it comes to sports. I'm starting to feel the same way about college sports. Bunch of overpaid prima donnas relishing all the fame and adoration their endearing fans can give them. Pro pool players are no different. They don't make near the money "real" athletes make, but they still have a plethora of coat-tail hangers and bootlickers thinking they're all that.

Like you, gambling has zero effect on anything I do in life. People can do what they want with the $$$ in their pockets, I simply couldn't care any less.
 
I never played big money. Most times it is against friends, or at least ppl I know. I enjoy playing with the heat on, but it made me angry when opp doesn't want to pay. It is a lot less stress to just play small and someone you know than to try to shirt the local drug dealer.
Honestly, I felt more stress in league play than a money or tournament match,(not letting your team mates down).

A Pool shark, a Bookie, and an enforcer walk into a poolroom, ...............
 
the fun players come in the room and play an hour or so and leave.

the gamblers tend to match up and play all day long
the gamblers hang around and keep the place looking busy
they also come back frequently, many every day. the fun players go to league or come in only occasionally.

pool rooms started going broke as other legal gambling came into the mainstream. coincidence?

the ones that think its bad are the kind of people that want things that they dont approve of banned.

like pot, drinking, smoking, free speech etc. but those are individual choices and if not personally affecting you then its none of your business.
 
The reason I do not gamble::

I have plenty of wealth and income
What I could win by gambling would not even show up as a rounding error on my income tax statement.
I could lose $100,000 and not even remember it the next day
I could win $100,000 and not remember it 30 seconds after it was handed to me
Thus, there is no incentive for me to gamble
It does not add enjoyment to the game
It does not add pleasure to my playing

And I don't care if others do the same or they do differently.
 
like pot, drinking, smoking, free speech etc. but those are individual choices and if not personally affecting you then its none of your business.
Even if I don’t care about the health impact of second hand smoke in a closed space, it makes my clothes smell terrible. People smoked literally within a business, so it would be everyone’s business that was there.

Pot and drinking don’t affect others as much, unless you drink too much and crack up some cars.

Those things including gambling are indulgences with known addictive traits. They need to be regulated within a modern society. They aren’t rights.
 
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The reason I do not gamble::

I have plenty of wealth and income
What I could win by gambling would not even show up as a rounding error on my income tax statement.
I could lose $100,000 and not even remember it the next day
I could win $100,000 and not remember it 30 seconds after it was handed to me
Thus, there is no incentive for me to gamble
It does not add enjoyment to the game
It does not add pleasure to my playing

And I don't care if others do the same or they do differently.
i wish $100,000 was meaningless to me.....😢
 
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