Good ol prof!!
DCC... UPDATE
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Still a lot of slow up table play.
Your wrong about the Bigfoot
You get this at the DCC because a lot of guys get in just to get their tournament pass — two of these guys draw each other and it can be a death march.
However, that’s not generally how things go between experienced players. In the era of Frost and Chohan, and all the modern day sharp shooters, there has been a generally wide-spread movement to be far more aggressive, the sentiment being to shoot at your hole or constantly be on the defensive. If you’ve played recently you’ll know what I mean. You either shoot and fight or end up spending the entire game on the defensive, digging balls out from your opponent’s pocket.
Lou Figueroa
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Have you played any matches with the "four ball" rule? I've officiated several tournaments using this rule, and a one hour game is a rarity.
There is something called a Players Meeting where all the rules are clearly explained and players may ask questions if there is something they don't understand.
We all know by now (or should) that the various pool games and their rules are constantly evolving. If we follow your line of thought then we would still be playing "Push Out" 9-Ball with all balls spotting up.
The game of One Pocket is long overdue for revising, mainly to speed up overly long games. In this case, the Grady Rule (God bless the Professor) was genius!
I'm sorry you think this is a "dumb" solution. Long ago I learned it is wiser to keep an open mind then to get stuck in your thinking. I really didn't like the paper racks when they came out, but agreed to take a look and check them out. I'm glad I did.
I respect your opinion Lou but would suggest you take a chance and play this way and then tell us what you think afterward.
I can almost guarantee only the best players will be there in the end. The Grady Rule does not favor anyone and the more skilled players still have an advantage. I've never heard players complaining about it after a match either. They did not use that as an excuse for losing.
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They need to learn how to make a proper webpage with a proper hyperlink.
Why not just keep guys on hand and the participants can phone problems in or get 'em to the table when required.
InsertCleverNameHere
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I just think it's funny how this is the rule they use but every single ball in hand the players clearly break it with the cueball.
I've only ever had one disagreement that actually needed an outside party to decide for us in thousands of games of 1 pocket playing base of ball, not sure what was wrong with it.
Oh and playing base of the ball there's about 2 more inches of real estate that a ball can be shot at hence potentially speeding up play(I know I know it'll be rare as hell) just saying.
Radical Idea I know but here it is....
If they wanna speed up play/have less 2.5 hour matches etc.. just play the games to 7 balls instead of 8. Every person on the planet that plays 1pocket seriously has played games where people make less than 8 to win. One pocket at the highest level is about beating the other player to the first shot. That doesn't guarantee a win by any means but there will absolutely be more 7 and outs than 8 and outs over 100 game sample. But in all those cases there won't be long battles for that last ball as often. Anyway, just a dumb idea that will never happen.
Some are just allot righter than others, and will admit that only when they are right, per a Helfert comment about another poster below.
''I'm sorry you think this is a "dumb" solution. Long ago I learned it is wiser to keep an open mind then to get stuck in your thinking.''
I like the way you/a TD thinks Jay... about others.
I have played in a tournament that utilized Grady Rules -- after one event the players groused so much the room owner did not hold another because no one liked them, they wanted to play one pocket and not some gaffed up version of the game.
And besides, when did a 1pocket game become something to get done so quickly. As Freddy The Beard might have said (and probably did): One pocket is all about "the pinch and squeeze" and torturing your opponent.
Lou Figueroa
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I know you've officiated many events but how many DCCs have you been to and played in?
I'm aware of the player's meeting and by my estimation many, many players don't attend it at the DCC. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain a rule to my opponent. As to the evolution of games, not all changes are created equal. Some are good, some are OK, and some blow. It's not a matter of the best players at the end -- it's about altering the intrinsic nature of the game.
And, I don't believe you are known as a 1pocket player. So I have to ask how you came to determine that the Grady Rules will not favor anyone?! How is it you know the game is long overdue for revising? Because, these rule changes are going the favor the guy who hasn't accumulated years of knowledge surrounding an uptable game. Things like knowing how and when to shoot one, two, and three rail banks while hiding the CB or just how to manage up table balls and how and when to block or keep open banking lanes, to name a couple.
Changes like this do favor some other people: the promoter and TDs who get to go home sooner. The players who want to play one pocket... not so much.
Lou Figueroa
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Some are just allot righter than others, and will admit that only when they are right, per a Helfert comment about another poster below.
''I'm sorry you think this is a "dumb" solution. Long ago I learned it is wiser to keep an open mind then to get stuck in your thinking.''
I like the way you/a TD thinks Jay... about others.
At least he had the cojones to say it to me directly, lol.
Lou Figueroa
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I agree 100% if gambling but trying to run a tournament,especially with the buy-bak option, on time is another story altogether. The GR doesn't make the game 'gaffy'. Games with a lot of balls up table take too long in a tournament setting.
I’m sorry if my opinion somehow offended you Lou. No doubt you are a far better known One Pocket player than me, and certainly more skilled at the game.
Compared to you I am a rank amateur. I watched in awe as you so easily dismantled John Barton and relieved him of ten grand. Just glad it wasn’t me getting chopped up like that.
It has to be tough when you have to explain the rules to your opponent. Who wants to play with guys like that?
I can see how a rule change could negatively affect all the years of knowledge you’ve acquired at One Pocket. I only wish that I had that same level of knowledge about the game.
Maybe it is best to have the current rules of One Pocket chiseled in stone somewhere, so they are never forgotten or tampered with.
Good luck this year at DCC! I hope you don’t have to endure the new rule in any of your matches. That would probably not be much fun for you.
I don't think Luck niss izzzzzz in play Jay.
I was getting ready to mention the JB video
my money's on Jay. Clearly Lou is a 1 pocket pro of the highest order