Super Touchy Subject Men vs.Women in Pool

bbb said:
T.S. will always mean TIM SCGRUGGS to me..!!!!!
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Island Drive said:
I think women are smarter, they seem to wait till the $'s are there.
Jean Balukus, I'm sure there are a few ''women'' on this planet of equal talent.
I like Jays comment/on men/vs/women.
It's likely the biggest hidden score card pool has.... long term over ANY other sport.
Where.... men/women compete on an equal platform.
Both sides know they're the best.

Taylor Swift will be T.S. till she isn't.

Kelce, he's still not totally there, she's got more money. :)
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Where would one go to discover the musical genius of this woman? I have seen her picture and heard her name but literally have never heard a single song she has sung. Yet I listen to good music almost every day. It's weird.

Please don't anyone point me there, I have a feeling I'm going to be ok.
 
I just think, our game is thee only physical sport where they can Win is my point, since Helferts post made my mind go that direction. :)
I've seen for decades the pro women and that gang and know ''they know''.
Like a 16 yr old Wu winning the Mens worlds.
The 20 and 30 and 40 yr old male pros ''never saw him comin''.
 
oscargrouch said:
Liberals think that women can compete with men in all sports?
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Yep. The far left (not the moderate liberal who still has common sense ) pushes that trans people should be able to compete with women because even though they have testosterone and have every physical male attribute they are women so it doesn’t matter. Which is insane. That sure as hell isn’t the conservatives
 
trob said:
Moderate liberals don’t. The far right does and the moderate liberal in power seems to be to afraid of them to tell them to stfu lol
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Going to assume you meant to say "far left".

I don't think that is true. Can you provide sources where a large group of liberals are claiming this?

Also, I probably would not classify myself as a "moderate" liberal at all, I'm very strongly liberal and would qualify as pretty damn far left by most peoples standards here at least.
 
trob said:
Yep. The far left (not the moderate liberal who still has common sense ) pushes that trans people should be able to compete with women because even though they have testosterone and have every physical male attribute they are women so it doesn’t matter. Which is insane. That sure as hell isn’t the conservatives
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Are we talking about women or trans women? Don't believe in the bogeyman they keep showing you.
 
I think women have better things to do than play all the games. 9ball is enough for their pool fix. Where guys are playing 8,9,10, one pocket, golf and any other game I'm forgetting.

Men also don't want to be home that's why they are out at pool halls hours on end.
 
I’d suggest it’s as simple as a few things. Overall population of women players is lower due to cultural influences. To stimulate participation you have organized women-only pool. And if we can embrace that you rise to the level of your competition, the fact that they keep themselves separate from the top men means they aren’t going to rise to those higher heights. Some women play top men on occasion but nowhere near as often as top men play other top men.
 
slide13 said:
Going to assume you meant to say "far left".

I don't think that is true. Can you provide sources where a large group of liberals are claiming this?

Also, I probably would not classify myself as a "moderate" liberal at all, I'm very strongly liberal and would qualify as pretty damn far left by most peoples standards here at least.
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Spend some time on the more feminist areas of Reddit and you will learn all the ways "The Patriarchy" has prevented women from competing with men in sports according to some.
 
Interesting discussion.
I remember reading about how the US National Women's Soccer Team played a club-level Wrexham men's team, and lost 12-0. Apparently that was not a regulation game on a normal field, using standard times, and not all the US Women played, but it was 12-0. That is often used to highlight the inequities of trans gender competitors, but not the point here.

In Olympic competition, only Equestrian events have men and women competing equally against each other. Yes, there are mixed events in other disciplines, and mixed teams in things like sailing, but only equestrian events make no gender distinction.

In the Olympic precision shooting disciplines, this topic pops up frequently. Since many of the events are identical for both men and women, scores can be compared, and men may not fare so well in that comparison. 10 meter air pistol, and 10 meter air rifle are the same for both genders, although they do not compete across gender lines. Winning scores show that direct competition would not give an edge to either gender, but the most frequently referenced justification for not doing that, is that it may end up reducing the total medal count awarded for shooting disciplines. Gender divided competitions makes for double the medal count on a specific discipline. More medals awarded means more chances to get medals.
 
MattPoland said:
I’d suggest it’s as simple as a few things. Overall population of women players is lower due to cultural influences. To stimulate participation you have organized women-only pool. And if we can embrace that you rise to the level of your competition, the fact that they keep themselves separate from the top men means they aren’t going to rise to those higher heights. Some women play top men on occasion but nowhere near as often as top men play other top men.
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This has been the argument pretty much since day one on AZ at least.

So -- if equal numbers of women and men played pool, is it your belief that we would see a 50/50 split between men and women in the top 100 rankings?

This is the question that needs to be answered honestly. Now I'll jump ahead, because I know the first objection. Yes -- everything else is equal, mainly training and access.

Many run from this question and instead play the pc game to appear enlightened. Or they answer it with a confidence that they should not have. The trouble is -- the answer to this question is significant for pool.

Pool's Pascal Wager:
If we answer Yes and we're wrong -- women's pool could END!
If we answer No and we're wrong -- we still have women's pool and great female players can continue to play in open events.
 
Some women have dressed as men, played top players and won. Cross dressing women are twice as dangerous as cross dressing men.

Point being men are faster to accept other men. If its their sister or wife, then the controversy increases a lot.

Would these stories ever be public? No.
 
Female player weighing in: men are better at most sports (besides some long-range shooting in which women have the advantage.) Men are better at pool. Probably because men have more spatial awareness (backed by science). Look at the top females compared to the top males. There is a difference. I do not see why this is such a big deal. We are different and have different strengths - men tend to do better with almost all physical pursuits. Women have the advantage when it comes to flexibility, pain tolerance, and they live longer.
Whatever.
Biological males should not be in female sports. Basically, it's like saying "See. Men are better than women at being a woman." Ridiculous. I am pro gay rights in every single way and do not care how someone wants to identify - but it is anti-feminist to allow men to compete in women's sports.

Also, who cares? So, men are better at pool. Let's move on.
Rant over. Now that I got that out of my system - I am happy to play (and beat) any of you in pool. :)
 
BasementDweller said:
This has been the argument pretty much since day one on AZ at least.

So -- if equal numbers of women and men played pool, is it your belief that we would see a 50/50 split between men and women in the top 100 rankings?

This is the question that needs to be answered honestly. Now I'll jump ahead, because I know the first objection. Yes -- everything else is equal, mainly training and access.

Many run from this question and instead play the pc game to appear enlightened. Or they answer it with a confidence that they should not have. The trouble is -- the answer to this question is significant for pool.

Pool's Pascal Wager:
If we answer Yes and we're wrong -- women's pool could END!
If we answer No and we're wrong -- we still have women's pool and great female players can continue to play in open events.
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It is my belief that if an equal number of men and women participated in pool, encouragement from family/friends/society was equal, training/access was equal, etc. I do think the results would be closer to 50/50. I do accept that there might be some evolutionary factors that emerged in the brain that make men more likely to engage in OCD-like activities that would make it not 50/50. But the FargoRate spread from the top men and top women would not be 100 points. It’d be more like 20 points. IMO
 
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1pocketguru said:
Fargo Ratings have 100 point difference between the top Male and Top female pros.
(Meaning the top males play twice as good as the top females).
I figure this is because in my rough estimation there is about 100 serious pool players that are men to about every 1 serious players that are women.
So if the numbers in general were equal and we saw 100 female players to every 100 male players, it's seems that gender wouldn't make a difference.
Because it's not a physical sport, the 100 point difference only makes sense to me by shear numbers.
Whaddya think?
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I think this used to be asked every other day for 20 years as if the asker thought it was the newest question ever. We'll have the same arguments, and every good point will be ignored by the other side of the fence. The initial poster would always say something like "since it's not physical," which ends all meaningful discussions.

No thanks.
 
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