Super Touchy Subject Men vs.Women in Pool

I think we should go off subject a bit. For a better comparison for the break look at men’s and women’s bowling ball size and speed. How many women pros throw a 16lb as fast as the guys do.

The ladies throw the ball 20-25% slower on avg and what I read didn’t account for ball weight. It’s the same movement. And if women can’t throw it as fast it means they can’t generate the force men do leaving no way they can break as fast on avg either.

How about girls softball. Do you think a guy could pitch as fast as the girls do?

It might surprise you but guys can pitch the softball faster too. I just looked it up guys throw mid 80’s girls 75ish. Once again same movement as a break in pool.

Edit: that last one is a perfect comparison for this thread. more girls play fast pitch softball than men. The men still pitch harder on avg.

The break is the only physically tolling part of pool. And men have an edge in that department. Ask SVB if the break matters?
 
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BasementDweller said:
This has been the argument pretty much since day one on AZ at least.

So -- if equal numbers of women and men played pool, is it your belief that we would see a 50/50 split between men and women in the top 100 rankings?

This is the question that needs to be answered honestly. Now I'll jump ahead, because I know the first objection. Yes -- everything else is equal, mainly training and access.

Many run from this question and instead play the pc game to appear enlightened. Or they answer it with a confidence that they should not have. The trouble is -- the answer to this question is significant for pool.

Pool's Pascal Wager:
If we answer Yes and we're wrong -- women's pool could END!
If we answer No and we're wrong -- we still have women's pool and great female players can continue to play in open events.
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Agreed. It doesn't really matter. Because it's unlikely that we are about to see an equal number of women all of a sudden start to play pool and compete.
 
justnum said:
Some women have dressed as men, played top players and won. Cross dressing women are twice as dangerous as cross dressing men.

Point being men are faster to accept other men. If its their sister or wife, then the controversy increases a lot.

Would these stories ever be public? No.
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We have a guy here that is one of those trannies and he plays in the women’s tournaments. I know wives who play in these tournaments and they don’t like it. He’s not very good but that’s not what they are afraid of. They tell me it is kind of creepy for him to do so.

He played when the women tour was coming through California. It was around the time when Mezz West was here.
 
Food for thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women...gender differences[,no such differences."[12]

Research in gender differences​

Male chess players greatly outnumber female chess players at all age levels and in the vast majority of tournaments, often by a factor of ten or higher. Analysis of rating statistics of German players in an article from 2009 by Merim Bilalić, Kieran Smallbone, Peter McLeod, and Fernand Gobet[11] indicated that although the highest-rated men were stronger than the highest-rated women, the difference (usually more than 200 rating points) was largely accounted for by the relatively smaller pool of women players (only one-sixteenth of rated German players were women). In 2020, psychologist and neuroscientist Wei Ji Ma summarized the state of research on women in chess as "there is currently zero evidence for biological differences in chess ability between the genders" but added "that does not mean that there are certainly no such differences."
 
Nick B said:
Food for thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_chess#:~:text=Research in gender differences[,no such differences."[12]

Research in gender differences​

Male chess players greatly outnumber female chess players at all age levels and in the vast majority of tournaments, often by a factor of ten or higher. Analysis of rating statistics of German players in an article from 2009 by Merim Bilalić, Kieran Smallbone, Peter McLeod, and Fernand Gobet[11] indicated that although the highest-rated men were stronger than the highest-rated women, the difference (usually more than 200 rating points) was largely accounted for by the relatively smaller pool of women players (only one-sixteenth of rated German players were women). In 2020, psychologist and neuroscientist Wei Ji Ma summarized the state of research on women in chess as "there is currently zero evidence for biological differences in chess ability between the genders" but added "that does not mean that there are certainly no such differences."
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Pool is still a physical game in the sense that you have to have some sort of physical dexterity, endurance and mental strength to play. There are a lot of great women players but my experience tells me otherwise when our local trans played. He wasn’t as effective against the better players but the other women he would beat their ass.
 
Probably the main reason is that women are not encouraged to compete and in some cases are discouraged. That's going to limit your pool of players. Men are almost expected to compete.

Even though women can break well, I still think men's upper body strength will give them a slight edge. One extra dry break in a race to 9 could be the difference. And the extra strength, even if unnecessary to break effectively, could mean a little more stamina in a long tournament.

I think it would be great if there were a couple of women included on the Mosconi Cup teams.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Probably the main reason is that women are not encouraged to compete and in some cases are discouraged. That's going to limit your pool of players. Men are almost expected to compete.

Even though women can break well, I still think men's upper body strength will give them a slight edge. One extra dry break in a race to 9 could be the difference. And the extra strength, even if unnecessary to break effectively, could mean a little more stamina in a long tournament.

I think it would be great if there were a couple of women included on the Mosconi Cup teams.
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Maybe not yet, but if they do.... have a young good-looking woman like the one NOW overseeing the MR 9 events. :)

Or?................
How would YOU like to be in her place, with roles reversed?

Your NOW in charge of MR 9 Womens pro events worldwide.
Think they'd be pickier than the men ;).

I know you'd be One' smiling TD if you were steering that herd.
Hangin' with women from 50 different countries.
Phew!!!!
 
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Island Drive said:
Maybe not yet, but if they do.... have a young good-looking woman like the one NOW overseeing the MR 9 events. :)

Or?................
How would YOU like to be in her place, with roles reversed?

Your NOW in charge of MR 9 Womens pro events worldwide.
Think they'd be pickier than the men ;).

I know you'd be One' smiling TD if you were steering that herd.
Hangin' with women from 50 different countries.
Phew!!!!
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Sounds like an invasion force.

It should be Roadrunner or Pink Dagger overseeing the old women as they age gracefully and beautifully.
Pool needs more female management in the WPA and to create women run and controlled pool events or locations to profit from.

Men drove pool into the arms of loving conmen Kevin Trudeau.
The WPA and WPBA steering developed Emily and she is amazing, with only 2 years of on the job training. She single handled exponentially increased pool events, pool prize money and pool player fields, in a time frame of 2 years. Billiard investment since 1900-2015 equals what Emily generates in two years.

Women can protect they own with the WPBA, do they need contracts too?

Billiards needs more Emily Frazers. Every pool room and league needs an Emily Frazer type character to drive and promote them.
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Last I checked avg pro male break was 20mph+. I’d like to see you break 20mph as most my guy friends cant. They avg 16-18 at 150+ lbs. I just looked it up. According to Google. Avg male pro break is 4 mph higher than avg pro female. That’s a big gap. That means males are breaking 20% harder than females. That could in turn very well be the reason for the skill difference between men and women.
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Sarah Rousey couldn’t have been much more than 105lbs, and she could hit a 28mph break. I personally saw her hit 25+ on the gun.
 
skogstokig said:
dammit, my post disappeared. anyway, here's stalevs break:


he is fairly short and skinny. it's about fast muscle fibers. leverage is important too, but the muscle fibers are, as mentioned above, an obvious gender difference.
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He got that stroke from playing Pyamid. One of the purest, 'easy power' actions in the history of the game. I saw him at Derby one year and was just amazed at his lazy but oh-so-powerful delivery. He really took it up a notch when breaking and just unleashed his whole body.
 
Cornerman said:
Sarah Rousey couldn’t have been much more than 105lbs, and she could hit a 28mph break. I personally saw her hit 25+ on the gun.
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Nikki Benish is an example of petite size (5’ at max) WPBA player who was known to have one of if not the hardest break on the women’s pro tour.
 
She (Sarah Rousey) is one in 300 million. There are exceptions with billions of people on earth. Amazing we can't except the average scientific balance between men and women. Estrogen and testosterone work differently. Alex P fast twitch muscles are probably more developed than the giant women. I'll take Alex in the break contest. A few years back, my basketball coach friend's high school team scrimmaged a decent D1 girls team. Sorry. The boys won.
 
Fast twitch fibers are useful in sports that require short reaction times.

Pool does not require fast reaction times.

Studying the billiard table layout is complicated for today's AI systems.

Most men developed the best AI systems today.

Women play better than the best technology men can make.

Women also play better than most untrained men.

Where exactly on the Fargo ratings does female dominance start and where does it end?

That is an expensive activity to find out, you will need a big sponsor to pay huge sums.

Who can Roadrunner and Pink Dagger beat on the regular on the male side?
 
Jtustnum. Breaking is a fast twitch move. Drawing the paint off the cue ball 2 or 3 rails is fast twitch. It takes a snap. You can't do that with a caress. Who gives a shit about AI billiards. I like the game that's played by flesh and blood. The way it's been since round rocks were rolled on big flat ones with real wood.
 
slide13 said:
Going to assume you meant to say "far left".

I don't think that is true. Can you provide sources where a large group of liberals are claiming this?

Also, I probably would not classify myself as a "moderate" liberal at all, I'm very strongly liberal and would qualify as pretty damn far left by most peoples standards here at least.
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Out of the car, longhair.
 
Podunker said:
Jtustnum. Breaking is a fast twitch move. Drawing the paint off the cue ball 2 or 3 rails is fast twitch. It takes a snap. You can't do that with a caress. Who gives a shit about AI billiards. I like the game that's played by flesh and blood. The way it's been since round rocks were rolled on big flat ones with real wood.
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Cut breaks are not fast twitch.

Maximal power strokes are fast twitch.

A controlled power stroke is a controlled stroke. The best cpu processors could not simulate the breakshot.

The processor cant even read the infinitesimally small gaps between balls.

Breaking is a trick shot. Maximal power break is a fast twitch shot.

Todays AI is garbage is basically hello world. They spent billions to find out it is limited functionality and limited application.
 
Leigh said:
I weigh 105 and can break. Just FYI. (in reply to the earlier message.)
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i doubt Tommy Kennedy weighed more than 105 when he won the 1991 US Open 9ball. He had a powerful break. You don’t have to be big to break the balls hard. Both Sarah Rousey and Tiffany Nelson hit 29 mph on the radar gun when they played on the WPBA.
 
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