It's how you try that matters. Not all methods are equal just because of pocket slop.
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BHE vs FHE
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I agree with you fully. One angle+spot+speed = one and only one specific outcome. Absolutely correct.
This is what you've missed. The BHE specific outcome is different than the classic english specific outcome, because two angles of approaches are employed, a diagonally turned cue stroked straight ahead, as opposed to a straight cue stroke taken diagonally away from the shot line. This has been diagrammed for you above.
Are YOU that accurate with zero pocket slop? Pocket slop still means a ball just went in as opposed to missed and losing time at the table with the other guy shooting.
Are the tips moving in the same direction at contact? If not, they produce different outcomes.
A tip moving parallel to the C-E line misses the shot.
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I hear you loud and clear. I offer the pre-supinated wrist so that one may test the stroke and reduce variables in testing.
I agree, different outcomes. But your second statement was not correct.
Here's the diagram again, the cue ball viewed from above, the base of the ball resting on the cloth at A and A-B is the shot line through center CB from the player's perspective:
"A tip moving parallel to the C-E line misses the shot."
What you just said is false, since a tip moving parallel to C-E along the line B-A scores the shot without english. (I'll assume you meant a tip moving ON the C-E line misses the shot, which I'd agree with if the hands were both on that line, of course.)
Pretend the CB and OB are quite close together, with a line of centers that goes straight into a far pocket. A-B is a stop shot, so obviously stroking C-E seems more likely to the lay physicist to score the ball than C-D! HOWEVER, we both know that this so-called parallel english line leads to awful deflection. C-D, I agree with you here fully, is preferrable to C-E.
But! A BHE stroke with a diagonally turned cue stick, the left edge of the cue moving in the C-E direction at impact, sends the CB more along the shot line than the oblique shot C-D. This is a different angle of approach than with both hands moved parallel from B-A to along C-E.
Please don't repeat that the bridge hand moves or the shot is impossible to execute as diagrammed, the diagram calls for 1.65 mm of english or a quarter-tip of english with a 13mm cue. I've shot this countless times.
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Sorry man, your posts just don’t add up.
Well, I kind of meant a pro who's paying you for lessons, not your best bud. We weren't born yesterday, even though you'd like to believe so.
I'm always open to facts if you want to share them. I'm like you, I can never really respond to "it doesn't add up", since that has no actual meaning.
You are partially correct. If I gave a friend a great lesson, and he refused to tell people I'm a good teacher, I'd think he wasn't really my friend.
On the other hand, if you are suggesting that Tom Kennedy would embellish truth, and say I'm a good teacher when I'm not, you are likely unaware of his Florida status, since you don't live here. Besides being the six-time Florida Pro of the Year, Tom referrees most of the tournaments he plays in as a competitor for money, because he has that much Christian integrity. He is well known as an honest person and has been called in many places, including at AZ, I'm sure, the pro with the most personal integrity and character, anywhere.
But why did you think Tom doesn't pay me for lessons? Most of my lessons are paid lessons, I sometimes do freebies, for example, you would be welcomed to a free lesson.
What do you know about what was posted that can make the math come out right from what you post?
@BilliardsAbout when you replied to Patrick that you agreed if something with respect to [stick line, tip position, and stroke speed (at contact) is different], all is good. Then you went off on complete tangents that don't make any sense. I'm interpreting what you said in the following couple of posts that you can somehow use a BHE technique to "trick" the logic you agreed with, to vary one of those bracketed items, and still have the same shot outcome. Sorry, not going to get into a back and forth over the minutia, or with you Spider.
Hmmmmmm....IMO....I think that is actually kind of a false statement......Using a stop shot....you can hit higher with low speed and lower with high speed and get the same specific outcome....a stop shot.
A tip moving along the C-E line will not drive the CB in the C-E direction.
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Awwwww, c'mon man. Minutia is my specialty.
That parallel shift stuff threw me at first. I use bhe on many shots and have developed an unconscious adjustment for it over the years. Seeing diagrams and videos just made things worse and way overcomplicated matters on something that to me, was pretty straightforward to begin with. I try not to overthink it anymore and just pull the trigger. lol.
That is NOT the same outcome. You must never play any moving games like one pocket or backpacket 9 ball where you ALSO want to control where the OB lands, if you think those shots are the same.