What's your estimated fargo rating if you beat 9 ball ghost more often than not?

Does anybody try playing 'pro ghost'? Fedor played that a while back and beat it 21-18. Kinda stout.
He gets BIH if hooked or in a push out sit. after brk. If he has a shot he has to go from there.
He played also without any ball in hand and lost. I tried to play to 21 without any ball in hand(1/1 2024) but my back pain had a bad day and i had to quit while i was 7-6 up. Could be easily 9-4 but made bad mistakes on last 2 and then i had to quit because back..
I used Matchroom breaks too :)
 
Does anybody try playing 'pro ghost'? Fedor played that a while back and beat it 21-18. Kinda stout.
He gets BIH if hooked or in a push out sit. after brk. If he has a shot he has to go from there.
I’m 50/50 in sets against what they were calling the God ghost but the way I was playing if I didn’t make a ball on the break I lost or if I was hooked and didn’t make the object ball I lost

I like ball in hand if I’m hooked because most of the sets that I lose, are from not making a ball on the break, or just having no shot

That should improve my chances

Sorry, but the only game I’ve ever played is one pocket on a nine footer they didn’t even have big tables in the Pool Hall. I started playing in.

Pretty sporty manis

I’m probably a 500 player on a nine footer
 
Nice
Made 3 on the break most games.
Yeah, I got the break dialed in pretty good for playing the god ghost with no ball in hand

When I lose to the God ghost it’s because I’m hooked no ball on the break or have a ridiculous shot to start out with

It’s a bar table lol
 
what are the rules for scratching on the break in the 9 ball ghost? I thought that pocketed balls on the break are spotted, but I'm not sure of that rule.
 
what are the rules for scratching on the break in the 9 ball ghost? I thought that pocketed balls on the break are spotted, but I'm not sure of that rule.
only if you scratch. legally pocketed balls stay down. at least that how we've always played it.
 
It was about 11 o’clock at night when I made this video we just got done grocery shopping and I don’t think mama is very happy lol

I’ve been beating the ghost 7 to 0 or 7-1 with my worst being 7-2

Been beating the god ghost 50% of the time

Ran several 4 and 5 packs with my best being a 6 packs no ball in hand

I’ll make another one tonight because I wasn’t even counting in that video just trying to hurry it up

On the very first rack the 4 ball and the 7 ball don't have a chance in hell of going in on my nine footer without freshly cleaned and polished balls. And I mean fresh like within a rack or two.
 
I’m 50/50 in sets against what they were calling the God ghost but the way I was playing if I didn’t make a ball on the break I lost or if I was hooked and didn’t make the object ball I lost

I like ball in hand if I’m hooked because most of the sets that I lose, are from not making a ball on the break, or just having no shot

That should improve my chances

Sorry, but the only game I’ve ever played is one pocket on a nine footer they didn’t even have big tables in the Pool Hall. I started playing in.

Pretty sporty manis

I’m probably a 500 player on a nine footer
You will be the same fargo no matter what table you are playing on as you have an actual opponent you either defeat or lose to each game who is playing on the same equipment. Wins and loss' are the only thing fargo cares about.

This has been debated ad nauseum with Mike Page.
 
On the very first rack the 4 ball and the 7 ball don't have a chance in hell of going in on my nine footer without freshly cleaned and polished balls. And I mean fresh like within a rack or two.
That video table must be league-cut pockets. We have a 9ft with procuts at my spot and those balls hitting the rails will NOT go. still good shooting but that table is soft looking to me.
 
Does anybody try playing 'pro ghost'? Fedor played that a while back and beat it 21-18. Kinda stout.
He gets BIH if hooked or in a push out sit. after brk. If he has a shot he has to go from there.
That's typically how I play the ghost these days. Unless I'm trying to follow specific rules.

I might have a 20% success rate on a set win.
 
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You will be the same fargo no matter what table you are playing on as you have an actual opponent you either defeat or lose to each game who is playing on the same equipment. Wins and loss' are the only thing fargo cares about.

This has been debated ad nauseum with Mike Page.
...and Mike's statistician take always boils down to sample size. Eventually the amount of games involved in determining someone's rating will be so large that up/down ticks experienced because of table size become moot.

However anyone that has ever played pool on a competent level knows that table size is directly relational to their ability to succeed at playing the game.
 
...and Mike's statistician take always boils down to sample size. Eventually the amount of games involved in determining someone's rating will be so large that up/down ticks experienced because of table size become moot.

However anyone that has ever played pool on a competent level knows that table size is directly relational to their ability to succeed at playing the game.
I agree and will take the heat for saying so. I know players that are at least 50pts worse on a bigbox, some more. Hell, a LOT of players in my area would rather gargle with Draino that play a match on a 9ft. The 7ft is their comfort zone and they will not get out of it.
 
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Does anybody try playing 'pro ghost'? Fedor played that a while back and beat it 21-18. Kinda stout.
He gets BIH if hooked or in a push out sit. after brk. If he has a shot he has to go from there.
For me the most impressive part of Gorst's effort was that he didn't pattern rack. To play under such tough rules and then still allow for the random chance of the break, is ballsy
 
That video table must be league-cut pockets. We have a 9ft with procuts at my spot and those balls hitting the rails will NOT go. still good shooting but that table is soft looking to me.
This. I watched a couple racks and saw 3 balls that would not have gone on my 9', or on any of the 7s at one of our rooms in town.
I don't know about league cut, but definitely not pro cut from what I saw.
However, I think Freddy shoots well enough to have success on the pro cut tables. He would just need to take a bit more time on his shots.
He's clearly a good player. Good shooting Freddy.

Manis has always been on a different level.
I'm more scared of him than of any ghost.
 
This. I watched a couple racks and saw 3 balls that would not have gone on my 9', or on any of the 7s at one of our rooms in town.
I don't know about league cut, but definitely not pro cut from what I saw.
However, I think Freddy shoots well enough to have success on the pro cut tables. He would just need to take a bit more time on his shots.
He's clearly a good player. Good shooting Freddy.

Manis has always been on a different level.
I'm more scared of him than of any ghost.
There is a BIG difference for sure. ProCuts, especially on broken-in cloth, will NOT accept shots like this video table.
 
He played also without any ball in hand and lost. I tried to play to 21 without any ball in hand(1/1 2024) but my back pain had a bad day and i had to quit while i was 7-6 up. Could be easily 9-4 but made bad mistakes on last 2 and then i had to quit because back..
I used Matchroom breaks too :)
Since you don't need to pocket a ball on the break to win against "Pro Ghost", beating it gets "easier" if you can get the balls apart and reasonably consistent shape on the 1 without worrying about pocketing anything.

 
Still a big " IF".
For sure, you need to work on it and its much harder than simply taking ball in hand. But it can be done with a little time and attention.

I think I had the same shot on the 1 in the lower corner like 90%+ of the time in that video and I'm nothing special.
 
Racking tricks and breaking trips will only put a player over the edge of beating the ghost if they are on the borderline in skills required to do so.

Truth be told, the VAST majority of "serious" pool players, (not bangers), have no chance of beating the 9 ball ghost on any equipment. Look at your weekly 9 ball tournament, where the regulars show up week after week for years. These are all dedicated players of varying skills. How many of them would you bet on to beat the ghost, even on a Valley barbox? 5%?
 
Since you don't need to pocket a ball on the break to win against "Pro Ghost", beating it gets "easier" if you can get the balls apart and reasonably consistent shape on the 1 without worrying about pocketing anything.
Yes sir, and why I adopted a more controlled break when playing pro-ghost w/ 9 on spot. Some poopoo on the idea of not using the same break as you would against an actual opponent. However, the obvious defensive options you give up for sake of the ghost, should provide a greenlight in breaking methodology.
I think I had the same shot on the 1 in the lower corner like 90%+ of the time in that video and I'm nothing special.
I got very good at getting that 1b over to corner as well. Of course I use a template exclusively, so I made the wing 99% of the time. The ghost really came down to preventing clusters after the break.

Gorst's version of pro ghost contains the requirement to make a ball on the break. Not doing so is pretty much a loss in the circles I battle with, so switched to that version. More often than not, the results are frustrating, but at least it's closer to a real world set for me.
 
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