What's your estimated fargo rating if you beat 9 ball ghost more often than not?

3 months ago I could beat the 9 ball ghost at will on my 9ft Diamond with 4 1/2 inch pockets. Today I probably couldn’t beat the 6 ball ghost since I rarely hit a ball in the last 2 months.
 
From my observation- most people don’t. Because you don’t have to make a ball on the break and can take ball in hand, I’ve noticed most people break softer and don’t care where the cue ball ends up
Yeah I use it to practice my break so I also break the same as I would when actually playing.
 
thanks for the input. just curious, how did you come to this estimate?
Good question. I'd say anyone playing in the mid to low 500's isn't running a 3 pack anytime soon. Of course there's a chance for an outlier miracle... but not much of a chance really.
 
On a nine-footer with 4 1/2" pockets, I'd guess you need to be at least 670 Fargo before you are a favorite to beat the 9ball ghost. On 4 1/4" pockets, I think only a 700+ Fargo would be a favorite to beat the 9ball ghost.
I wouldn’t fair very well on a 9’ table we all grew up playing on bar tables

With the magic, Rack and ball in hand, I haven’t lost a set of the ghost in three months

I’m 50/50 without ball in hand mainly due to not having a shot on the object ball

The wood rack gives me more break outs to deal with

I guess I’ll have to make a video but I can’t even post a picture on here. I’m so computer illiterate

I found the ball in hand ghost playing 9 ball pretty easy but I don’t feel any pressure and haven’t been able to apply any playing this way

The eight ball ghost was harder, I never take ball in hand but I finally got a grip on it

7’ diamond pro cut pockets 5 month old table
 
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I wonder how people of various Fargo ratings would score in the Hopkins drill (combined score for 10 racks):

 
I just wish I had a reason to practice like I used to. You work on your break and start beating the ghost....then when you go places you play everyone but champions even.

I have a 9 foot Diamond and rarely play over 20 minutes at a stretch. No action here and people have lost their taste for real pool.
 
Get a real 550 and I will bet my house he can't beat the ghost 3 out of 5 sets.
you would win that bet with me so it checks out. you could probably bet 1-5 and it would be pretty safe so maybe lower than 550
 
on your home table with polished balls it is much easier to run a rack than walking in to a pool room and taking the balls and racking them up and shooting. so dont be so quick to bet. few can do it. if you can, great.
 
thanks for the input. just curious, how did you come to this estimate?
From your description, we are close in speed, and I'm a 555. I've beaten the 9 ball ghost I think about 7 times in my life, the best score being 7-3. Most times I play it I lose something like 2-7. My straight pool high run is 38 on a 9'. I get beat by 600 players, but I can keep the sets competitive.
 
I don't have a fargo, but I'd guess it was somewhere between 600 and 650. I can beat 650-700s in semi-long races (e.g. 9-ball to 7 wins) quite often, even though I lose the majority of the time, whereas I win against 550-600s more often than not. In 9-ball, I have ran a 6-pack once (in practice), and a 4-pack against other people. 3-packs are rare, 2-packs pretty common on good days, rare on bad days.

On a 9ft diamond with 4 1/2' pockets, I don't beat the ghost over half of the time, I haven't played the ghost that much but I run out around 35-40% of the racks I play if I take ball in hand after the break. So if 50% is where you start beating the ghost more often than not (on a 9ft 4 1/2' diamond) and people estimate that to require 675'ish fargo, getting 35-40% of the racks would make sense for a 600-650.
 
I don't have a fargo, but I'd guess it was somewhere between 600 and 650. I can beat 650-700s in semi-long races (e.g. 9-ball to 7 wins) quite often, even though I lose the majority of the time, whereas I win against 550-600s more often than not. In 9-ball, I have ran a 6-pack once (in practice), and a 4-pack against other people. 3-packs are rare, 2-packs pretty common on good days, rare on bad days.

On a 9ft diamond with 4 1/2' pockets, I don't beat the ghost over half of the time, I haven't played the ghost that much but I run out around 35-40% of the racks I play if I take ball in hand after the break. So if 50% is where you start beating the ghost more often than not (on a 9ft 4 1/2' diamond) and people estimate that to require 675'ish fargo, getting 35-40% of the racks would make sense for a 600-650.
You sound strong enough that if you worked on your break and played the ghost often....you would start to own him.

Playing the ghost gets you seeng the whole rack after the break. Pushes you to keep the opponent seated and win the racks. As far as training goes, it makes champions.
 
i too am curious what my fargo would be. 9’ table. The most ive run is a 3 pack on the 9b ghost, best score was 4-7 loss. I beat the 6 ball ghost by a rack. I generally break and run once or twice per hour of 9b practice. my high run in straight pool is 29. i play decent one pocket but would likely get killed by anyone 600+. i often miss balls by a lot. i use too much spin. My mechanics aren’t great. any guesses?
550 to 580

If you played better players on 9 foot tables you will improve more.

Keep enjoying the game.
 
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I wonder how people of various Fargo ratings would score in the Hopkins drill (combined score for 10 racks):

It was about 11 o’clock at night when I made this video we just got done grocery shopping and I don’t think mama is very happy lol

I’ve been beating the ghost 7 to 0 or 7-1 with my worst being 7-2

Been beating the god ghost 50% of the time

Ran several 4 and 5 packs with my best being a 6 packs no ball in hand

I’ll make another one tonight because I wasn’t even counting in that video just trying to hurry it up

 
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It was about 11 o’clock at night when I made this video we just got done grocery shopping and I don’t think mama is very happy lol

I’ve been beating the ghost 7 to 0 or 7-1 with my worst being 7-2

Been beating the god ghost 50% of the time

Ran several 4 and 5 packs with my best being a 6 packs no ball in hand

I’ll make another one tonight because I wasn’t even counting in that video just trying to hurry it up

Nice
Made 3 on the break most games.
 
If you all compiled your own personal data and gathered it here, someone could combine it and you would come up with pretty good numbers. One glaring issue is, equipment clearly varies a lot. You have 7' tables mentioned, at least one 8' table and then 9' tables with varying conditions and pocket sizes...
 
I'm a 635 and I'd say I'm 50/50 to beat the ghost on my 9' home table.

I sometimes play the 8 ball ghost (bih) and I'm probably about 40/60 in favor of the ghost. Sometime racks just aren't runnable in 8 ball, but some are super easy.
 
Does anybody try playing 'pro ghost'? Fedor played that a while back and beat it 21-18. Kinda stout.
He gets BIH if hooked or in a push out sit. after brk. If he has a shot he has to go from there.
 
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