What's your estimated fargo rating if you beat 9 ball ghost more often than not?

iusedtoberich

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I don’t have a Fargo but I know 2 local players that I’d probably bet on to beat the 9 ball ghost on an 8 footer. They are both exactly Fargo 600. One has 300 games in the system, while the other has 600 games.

I would bet against them beating the ghost on a 9’. I think it takes a 700 speed to beat that ghost.

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9BallKY

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On a 8' table I'm not sure because you rarely see them where I live. On a bar box almost anyone can beat the ghost On a 9' with 4.5" pockets I would say at least 650 or above to beat the ghost. To beat the ghost more often than not probably closer to 700. Just my opinion.
 

Scratch85

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8 foot table taking ball in hand after the break?



Just so we are all talking about the same scenario, do you mean beating the ghost more than .5 of the games played or beating the ghost in a race more than .5 of the time?

I feel like I play strong against the ghost one game at a time. But when it comes to beating him/her/it in a race to 7 or more, it becomes way more difficult.


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misterpoole

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There is no pressure in playing the ghost. You need to play some competitive pool to determine where your game is and hence your rating within the pool community.
 

longhorns2

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Just so we are all talking about the same scenario, do you mean beating the ghost more than .5 of the games played or beating the ghost in a race more than .5 of the time?

I feel like I play strong against the ghost one game at a time. But when it comes to beating him/her/it in a race to 7 or more, it becomes way more difficult.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you beat the ghost 51% of the time you should win a race 51% of the time
 

longhorns2

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There is no pressure in playing the ghost. You need to play some competitive pool to determine where your game is and hence your rating within the pool community.

I'm asking for an estimate. If you're beating the ghost 51% of the time chances are you also play people competitively. And yes pressure may get to you sometimes but say you beat the ghost 80% of the time, then you've probably got pretty good odds against most gamblers
 

Scratch85

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you beat the ghost 51% of the time you should win a race 51% of the time



That’s true, which is why I said “feel”. Much like playing blackjack. You have good runs and bad runs.

Say I beat the ghost 7-4 in a race to 7. Next set ghost beats me 2-7. We are .5 in sets but not .5 in games. Still I “feel” like I played even. After all, I have a strong opinion of my game.


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Masayoshi

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you beat the ghost 51% of the time you should win a race 51% of the time

The longer the race, the more likely the 51% wins. If the race is to a million, the 51% is virtually guaranteed to win.
 

longhorns2

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The longer the race, the more likely the 51% wins. If the race is to a million, the 51% is virtually guaranteed to win.

I'm an idiot. This is true but even in races to 100 there will still be enough variance so that you win around 51% of the races, right?
 

Bob Jewett

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I'm an idiot. This is true but even in races to 100 there will still be enough variance so that you win around 51% of the races, right?
No. A race to 100 will be about 65% for the stronger player. A small advantage over a lot of games ends up being a much larger advantage. That's why casinos remain in business.
 

easy-e

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On a bar box almost anyone can beat the ghost Just my opinion.

Come to Arizona. You'd lose a lot of money if you bet on people beating the ghost, even on a bar box:D. I'd say anyone 600 or higher is probably a favorite. Below that, they're gonna struggle.
 

marek

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I don’t have a Fargo but I know 2 local players that I’d probably bet on to beat the 9 ball ghost on an 8 footer. They are both exactly Fargo 600. One has 300 games in the system, while the other has 600 games.

I would bet against them beating the ghost on a 9’. I think it takes a 700 speed to beat that ghost.

IMO:)

In Europe the ghost breaks even against 600ish player on 9ft table (we dont play on barboxes competitively)
 

cleary

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I’m a 482 and I normally lose to the 9 ball ghost on a 9’ diamond in a race to 7. I’ve won but it’s rare. I normally get to 3 or 4.

On a diamond bar table I’m probably about 50% to beat the ghost. Both just depend on the day.
 

9BallKY

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Come to Arizona. You'd lose a lot of money if you bet on people beating the ghost, even on a bar box:D. I'd say anyone 600 or higher is probably a favorite. Below that, they're gonna struggle.

I know that there are players who can't beat the ghost on a bar box. However a lot of those players aren't serious player or beginners. At the pool room I go to there is only 2 players who play regularly that can't beat the ghost on a bar box and they both have a chance if they get a couple breaks.
 

9BallKY

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I’m a 482 and I normally lose to the 9 ball ghost on a 9’ diamond in a race to 7. I’ve won but it’s rare. I normally get to 3 or 4.

On a diamond bar table I’m probably about 50% to beat the ghost. Both just depend on the day.

Beating the ghost on a 9' Diamond is a lot harder than people say it is.
 
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