Digicue Blue. Guys are Afraid to Know?

nataddrho said:
This is actually a good point. I indeed have. For example look at Buste. He has some wild warm up strokes, but watch his follow through... perfectly straight. Same for Efren, same for McCready, Breedlove sometimes. A swerve that you might see would only be after contact with the ball, and the DigiCue does not measure this part. Only before contact.

Backstroke pause and finish might score low if the player is rushed, but those are features that can be turned off. Straightness is the core of the product.
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Well, I’ve actually played Busty, Efren, and McCready, (and Pagulayan and a couple of the other Filipinos) and have had a real good view of their strokes, which is something I always pay attention to when playing champions.

As I understand your measurements I would not agree with your asessment of how they would score.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Well, I’ve actually played Busty, Efren, and McCready, (and Pagulayan and a couple of the other Filipinos) and have had a real good view of their strokes, which is something I always pay attention to when playing champions.

As I understand your measurements I would not agree with your asessment of how they would score.

Lou Figueroa
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It is very hard to watch the last 50ms before contact with the cue ball.

If indeed you are interested in tech and are genuinely trying to be constructively critical (hard to tell), I am happy to send you one free of charge for your analysis and feedback. Just PM me your address.
 
lfigueroa said:
Well, I’ve actually played Busty, Efren, and McCready, (and Pagulayan and a couple of the other Filipinos) and have had a real good view of their strokes, which is something I always pay attention to when playing champions.
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So we're supposed to just trust you, that these top players don't actually stroke straight through the ball?

Because you've... looked at them real hard?
 
Now I'm curious, I have a good friend with very strong chicken wing stroke. He's around a 630 Fargo I feel that he would score very high. If I can talk him into I'll do some testing and get back to everyone how he scores.
 
lfigueroa said:
Well perhaps, ala Hoppe, Greenleaf, McCready — and others using chicken wings, pump strokes, floppy wrists, BHE, and shoulder dropping — are all hitting the ball exactly where and how they want.

You think?

And somewhere further down the food chain are thousands of pool players who have played for decades and have unorthodox strokes but play lights out.

Pool is art as much as it is science.

Lou Figueroa
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I suppose then that Gorst and Filler are lying when they credit their coaches with improving their play in recent years.
 
nataddrho said:
This is actually a good point. I indeed have. For example look at Buste. He has some wild warm up strokes, but watch his follow through... perfectly straight. ...
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This prompted me to watch some videos of Buste on YouTube frame-by-frame (using the , and . keys to move forward and back).

Right before contact the cue does seem to be traveling in a remarkably straight line and there's always good follow-through. Sometimes the cue will dive after contact but I think that's because he's hitting bottom and it's deflecting off the cue ball.

I also suspect that a DigiCue would rate his stroke as remarkably good.
 
tomker said:
So we're supposed to just trust you, that these top players don't actually stroke straight through the ball?

Because you've... looked at them real hard?
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Earlier in the year mr3cushionBillGuy replied to one of Dr. Dave’s videos demystifying cue swerve during the forward stroke and said “I’ll only believe it if I see it.”

The video was in extreme slow motion using an $8000 camera!
 
I want to try a digital cue blue, but man, to be honest, I’m scared I’ll find out sumthin’ bout myself I’m not proud of.

I mean when I see a mutha funka that thinks he shoots straight, I can puff up my chest and expose him, while asserting that I am all that is man.

Now if we are being judged by digital readouts, how am I supposed to let this dude know I am more man than him. If he scores a 6.28 and has a soul patch that probably trumps my 5.84 with scraggly sideburns.

I can’t win in this format and refuse to play this way! It’s not my fault I can only grow back and shoulder hair.
 
tomker said:
The question was whether or not they improved their stroke according to the device, not whether or not their play improved.

I was trying to force you to stay on-topic for one f**king second so we could agree on one single point and work from there, but you're back to this "MAYBE THEIR PLAY DIDN'T IMPROVE!" nonsense.

Fine, you got me, I don't have any PROOF that improving a person's stroke will improve their level of play. Nobody does.

A player is chicken-winging like nuts and never hitting the ball where he intended? No problem! No need to fix that, because there's no PROOF that fixing it would result in better play.
A player is dropping his shoulder so bad that he miscues half the time? No problem! No need to fix that, because there's no PROOF that fixing it would result in better play.
A player is jumping up as he hits every shot? No problem! No need to fix that, because there's no PROOF that fixing it would result in better play.
A player is jabbing at the ball so bad that half the time he barely even hits the cue ball and it's a foul? No problem! No need to fix that, because there's no PROOF that fixing it would result in better play.

You have successfully argued that how well a person hits the cue ball has nothing to do with how well they play pool. You have won our debate. Can you please post your mailing address so I can send you your trophy. Thank you.
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If this device doesn’t elevate a player’s game, what good does it do?
 
nataddrho said:
It is very hard to watch the last 50ms before contact with the cue ball.

If indeed you are interested in tech and are genuinely trying to be constructively critical (hard to tell), I am happy to send you one free of charge for your analysis and feedback. Just PM me your address.
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Thank you but no.

Lou Figueroa
 
tomker said:
So we're supposed to just trust you, that these top players don't actually stroke straight through the ball?

Because you've... looked at them real hard?
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I had a better view from a variety of angles than you would get from video or the cheap seats ;-)

Lou Figueroa
trust, don’t trust
don’t care
 
nataddrho said:
This is actually a good point. I indeed have. For example look at Buste. He has some wild warm up strokes, but watch his follow through... perfectly straight. Same for Efren, same for McCready, Breedlove sometimes. A swerve that you might see would only be after contact with the ball, and the DigiCue does not measure this part. Only before contact.

Backstroke pause and finish might score low if the player is rushed, but those are features that can be turned off. Straightness is the core of the product.
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Very cool. Have you used the DigiCue to examine pros with swooping english strokes?
 
lfigueroa said:
I had a better view from a variety of angles than you would get from video or the cheap seats ;-)

Lou Figueroa
trust, don’t trust
don’t care
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Did you have a better view than me when I was examining zoomed-in footage on YouTube frame-by-frame? LOL.
 
Well, Lou said "As I understand your measurements I would not agree with your assessment of how they would score." I offered to send him a DigiCue free of charge so that he could better understand the measurements. He declined.

So he doesn't want to understand the measurements, but wants to continue to complain anyway, even though he said he is all for tech.
 
nataddrho said:
Well, Lou said "As I understand your measurements I would not agree with your assessment of how they would score." I offered to send him a DigiCue free of charge so that he could better understand the measurements. He declined.

So he doesn't want to understand the measurements, but wants to continue to complain anyway, even though he said he is all for tech.
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If I complain enough, will you send me one for free? :D

J/K, I already ordered one. Should be arriving today. I'm excited to try it out.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Very cool. Have you used the DigiCue to examine pros with swooping english strokes?
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Yes I have. You get the results you would expect. All of them are very straight. But as an advanced player you know better to turn off other parameters which aren't important to you, for example, backstroke pause. A beginner would benefit from awareness of a backstroke pause, but if you are already a seasoned player and learned to play without one, you might always score low if you don't have much of a pause. The customization feature allows you to disable and enable whatever parameters you want.
 
nataddrho said:
Yes I have. You get the results you would expect. All of them are very straight. But as an advanced player you know better to turn off other parameters which aren't important to you, for example, backstroke pause. A beginner would benefit from awareness of a backstroke pause, but if you are already a seasoned player and learned to play without one, you might always score low if you don't have much of a pause. The customization feature allows you to disable and enable whatever parameters you want.
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Straight, as in, minimal vertical deviation from a straight line?

Obviously one would not expect that result based on the practice strokes but I will not dispute objective data.
 
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