Fargo crew for the win!!

Yeah I can see why. I guess I just think about golf where most of the rounds included are private non tournament play. Different games I guess. Theoretically handicap committees are super to watch for abuses but they can’t catch everything. Any system has to rely on integrity and honest effort to some degree. But we know that has its limits. So where the records and math catch very unlikely results I see it as a good thing.
Most amat. golf tourns. are flighted. Great system, everyone plays even the first day and then get re-grouped based on that score. Works 90% time. I did see one at a course nearby where a guy shot 88 the first day and 69 on day two. He just had a horrible 1st rd. and everyone knew him so it wasn't a big deal. He did catch a load of shit tho, believe me. ;)
 
Actually I think the Salotto matches could help catch sandbaggers. Golf handicaps can give you a red flag or “T” handicap if your tournament results don’t square with your score history right? So if you have lots of Salotto games in your rating and your tournament results are consistent with a player 100 points higher, well it seems like your FargoRate should get adjusted 100 points higher and all your Salotto results discarded. Easier said than done I guess.

I think it is good this was noticed. I am a fan of FargoRate and any handicapping or rating system needs ways to detect those who manipulate it. Ideally you combine the math and people who know the players. Sounds like this guy has a reputation locally. 😝
They love salotto in Houston
A guy that plays over 600 speed at 530 dogs a match to a 420 speed in the app
Gotta love the shit
I’ve got the screen shot
 
Most amat. golf tourns. are flighted. Great system, everyone plays even the first day and then get re-grouped based on that score. Works 90% time. I did see one at a course nearby where a guy shot 88 the first day and 69 on day two. He just had a horrible 1st rd. and everyone knew him so it wasn't a big deal. He did catch a load of shit tho, believe me. ;)
Well there’s the other feature of golf handicapping. The 88 will get tossed out and the 69 won’t. Probably much harder or problematic to do in FargoRate. Different systems. But as you know a golfer won’t play to his handicap most times. Assuming honest handicap.
 
Most amat. golf tourns. are flighted. Great system, everyone plays even the first day and then get re-grouped based on that score. Works 90% time. I did see one at a course nearby where a guy shot 88 the first day and 69 on day two. He just had a horrible 1st rd. and everyone knew him so it wasn't a big deal. He did catch a load of shit tho, believe me. ;)
I had this happen to me in the ND State bowling tournament years ago: Shot 717 in singles plus i think 15-20 pins of handicap/game. Finished 7th in HDCP Singles for a decent check. Got a lot of heat for sandbagging...then i shot 5-something in doubles. Just pulled one good set out of my ass. Partner was pissed though... :LOL:

You can't really stop handicap manipulation. People will always try to do it, and there's too many players for Fargo, USBC, USGA, etc to monitor all of them. Need TDs to look into anything funky going on in their own house and report if necessary.
 
It’s easy af to manipulate your rating to rob smaller ones is what I’m saying
Idgaf I play in everything
No, its not easy, if it was this nit would not have gotten caught. If you don't like Fargo simply do not play in Fargo handicapped tournaments, seems a lot easier than bellyaching about it here all day.
 
Salotto is a huge potential loophole. They are financially incentivized to look the other way on those matches.

Not so much for random tournaments where Fargo doesn't make any money entering in results.
 
No, its not easy, if it was this nit would not have gotten caught. If you don't like Fargo simply do not play in Fargo handicapped tournaments, seems a lot easier than bellyaching about it here all day.
I play in everything
I’m not crybabying about any of it
Just pointing out at any chance I can
That Fargo can be gamed at will
And I have the proof as of many locals also know what’s going on because all it takes is for you to actually look at who and what games played
 
No, its not easy, if it was this nit would not have gotten caught. If you don't like Fargo simply do not play in Fargo handicapped tournaments, seems a lot easier than bellyaching about it here all day.
Dude, he got caught because he did it so blatantly !!
22 matches in a row? For real Stevie wonder would have caught that man
It probably only got noticed when someone called it in
 
When there's only one entity that rates it's easy to get complacent. I hope they are not doing so. I sincerely hope they re-invest money into improving the "algorithm." This isn't rocket science. It should be really easy to find outliers and weight them differently.

Love it or hate it, fargo is a good indication of skill, especially once you get some robustness going on.
 
Yeah I can see why. I guess I just think about golf where most of the rounds included are private non tournament play. Different games I guess. Theoretically handicap committees are super to watch for abuses but they can’t catch everything. Any system has to rely on integrity and honest effort to some degree. But we know that has its limits. So where the records and math catch very unlikely results I see it as a good thing.
Golf isn't populated by a bunch of thieving broke-dicks that will do ANYTHING to make 100bux. Harsh?? Maybe but its accurate.
 
Where are people saying it's impossible to cheat Fargo? I don't think I've ever seen that.
Same guy say he 'plays in everything' and 'not a crybaby' yet all he does is bitch about how bad FR is. JFC, don't fkng play. If you do play FR events don't keep coming back with more whining.
 
Same guy say he 'plays in everything' and 'not a crybaby' yet all he does is bitch about how bad FR is. JFC, don't fkng play. If you do play FR events don't keep coming back with more whining.
Says the dude that comes into the league thread every fkn 3 months to bitch and give us the same old
“Whelp! Quit league 70years ago best thing since sliced bread”

Jesus fkn Christ talk about a broken record
 
Dude, he got caught because he did it so blatantly !!
22 matches in a row? For real Stevie wonder would have caught that man
It probably only got noticed when someone called it in
You think that players at local tournaments don't bring up even less obvious stuff than this??
 
I play in everything
I’m not crybabying about any of it
Just pointing out at any chance I can
That Fargo can be gamed at will
And I have the proof as of many locals also know what’s going on because all it takes is for you to actually look at who and what games played
You cant seriously believe that A/B/C ranking systems or the ranking system where the TD pulls a handicap out of thin air are better. So you are saying that you know people who are gaming the system and winning tournaments because of it?? If so I would be interested to see the proof, FR scores move very slowly once you are established and throwing games alone wont accomplish the goal of "cheating the system" because your rating is attached to all of the people that you have played.
 
You cant seriously believe that A/B/C ranking systems or the ranking system where the TD pulls a handicap out of thin air are better. So you are saying that you know people who are gaming the system and winning tournaments because of it?? If so I would be interested to see the proof, FR scores move very slowly once you are established and throwing games alone wont accomplish the goal of "cheating the system" because your rating is attached to all of the people that you have played.
I’ll send you a pm with pics
 
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