Question about adding results to Fargo

[mjantti]

I tried browsing through Fargo site, but couldn't find this. Probably been asked before but bear with me

Can someone explain how tournament matches are being added to Fargo? Are there tournament chart apps/sites that update matches automatically to Fargo is it all manual labor? Any apps/applications for this? Who is responsible for adding matches there and how does this work in the US, Europe and Asia? Are there major differences between areas, tours, states, countries and continents?

For instance, I haven't really played any tournaments for the last 10 years, and I don't have a Fargo rating, who can add the first preliminary rating for me?

 

[wealmostlostdetroit]

Exactly what a -51 fargo rated player would ask

 

[wealmostlostdetroit]

Jokes aside, playing in Europe is notoriously bad for establishing your fargo rating - only Eurotours and a few other tournaments (quite random) are added to the system.

 

[mjantti]

Jokes aside, playing in Europe is notoriously bad for establishing your fargo rating - only Eurotours and a few other tournaments (quite random) are added to the system.

This is exactly on the money why I am asking. Such system implementation that provides a platform for player skillset analysis for tournaments/handicaps would be essential here in Europe as well. Just wondering why is it? A lot of tournaments are played on cuescore-platform, any connection/interface towards Fargorate available?

Best Regards,
Mikko - Fargo rating -51, robustness 0

 

[Black-Balled]

I dunno, -51 is pretty awesome.

 

[garczar]

I dunno, -51 is pretty awesome.

The way i do the math if he played Gorst all he'd have to do is get his cue screwed together and he'd win.

 

[RunEmOut08]

The way i do the math if he played Gorst all he'd have to do is get his cue screwed together and he'd win.

Like getting 400 points for putting your name on the SAT

 

[mikepage]

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For instance, I haven't really played any tournaments for the last 10 years, and I don't have a Fargo rating, who can add the first preliminary rating for me?

Hi Mikko -

The matches from Helsinki open (and a few earlier tournaments) went in error to an inactive record for you. I moved them, and you might be able to see them now in the app if you pull down to refresh. You will see the preliminary rating in another 24 hours or so. I think it will be 761 with 163 or so games (racks) total.

 

[garczar]

This is exactly on the money why I am asking. Such system implementation that provides a platform for player skillset analysis for tournaments/handicaps would be essential here in Europe as well. Just wondering why is it? A lot of tournaments are played on cuescore-platform, any connection/interface towards Fargorate available?

Best Regards,
Mikko - Fargo rating -51, robustness 0

FR is based on GAMES not matches. Results have to uploaded to Fargo hq. You need to talk to tournament/league directors. They are normally the one's doing the updating.

 

[wealmostlostdetroit]

This is exactly on the money why I am asking. Such system implementation that provides a platform for player skillset analysis for tournaments/handicaps would be essential here in Europe as well. Just wondering why is it? A lot of tournaments are played on cuescore-platform, any connection/interface towards Fargorate available?

Best Regards,
Mikko - Fargo rating -51, robustness 0

Play Eurotours, contact organisers of local/national tournaments for them to contact Fargo to add results, switch to Digitalpool who mostly sends results directly to Fargo, go to USA to play weekly/regional competitions and you should have plenty of games and an accurate Fargo rate pretty soon.

-51 to 761 is impressive! Which tip are you shooting with? /s

 

[iusedtoberich]

In the USA it's done by the bracket software for tournaments. The two most common are Digitalpool.com and Challonge.com (note the letter "o"). They both have a button called "submit results to FargoRate" that the TD can choose to turn on or turn off before the tournament starts.

I believe both of those bracket sites work internationally, but I'm not certain. Digital pool used to be free, now its paid (by the TD) if the bracket is larger than 32 players.

There may be other bracket software that can report (Cuescore?), but I don't have first hand knowledge to share.

 

[Black-Balled]

Hi Mikko -

The matches from Helsinki open (and a few earlier tournaments) went in error to an inactive record for you. I moved them, and you might be able to see them now in the app if you pull down to refresh. You will see the preliminary rating in another 24 hours or so. I think it will be 761 with 163 or so games (racks) total.

International knock, damn!
Hahahahah

 

[mjantti]

-51 to 761 is impressive! Which tip are you shooting with? /s

Old one. Lol.

Thanks for your answers, learnt something today for sure. It seems it all comes down to the tournament software being used. Most tournaments here in Finland have either cuescore or our federation's own SaaS -software biljardi.org. In Europe I'd say it all depends on the country. And regarding official EPBF tournaments such as Eurotour and European Championships I still don't know are the matches being added to Fargo. It also seems most pro players keep their match results private in Fargorate.

 

[mjantti]

Hi Mikko -

The matches from Helsinki open (and a few earlier tournaments) went in error to an inactive record for you. I moved them, and you might be able to see them now in the app if you pull down to refresh. You will see the preliminary rating in another 24 hours or so. I think it will be 761 with 163 or so games (racks) total.

Thanks Mike, I'll make sure to check it tomorrow.

 

[mikepage]

This is exactly on the money why I am asking. Such system implementation that provides a platform for player skillset analysis for tournaments/handicaps would be essential here in Europe as well. Just wondering why is it? A lot of tournaments are played on cuescore-platform, any connection/interface towards Fargorate available?

Best Regards,
Mikko - Fargo rating -51, robustness 0

Many tournaments run with Cuescore make their way into Fargorate. There are, however, fewer from Finland than from, say, Sweden or Norway, or Belgium, or Netherlands... because many of the Finnish Cuescore tournaments say "with handicap" in the description--like this one from a couple days ago with top players

https://cuescore.com/tournament/DST+Riihimäki+32+CUP/46934092

 

[Bob Jewett]

Many tournaments run with Cuescore make their way into Fargorate. There are, however, fewer from Finland than from, say, Sweden or Norway, or Belgium, or Netherlands... because many of the Finnish Cuescore tournaments say "with handicap" in the description--like this one from a couple days ago with top players

https://cuescore.com/tournament/DST+Riihimäki+32+CUP/46934092

I assume that the problem is that the handicap is a ball spot or some such so they are not really playing nine ball. Games on the wire would be OK?

 

[Poolmanis]

I assume that the problem is that the handicap is a ball spot or some such so they are not really playing nine ball. Games on the wire would be OK?

Games on wire is how Finland have it

 

[Bob Jewett]

Games on wire is how Finland have it

I think that's not a problem unless they report the total only = wins+spot for the weaker player.

 

[mikepage]

Games on wire is how Finland have it

I think that's not a problem unless they report the total only = wins+spot for the weaker player.

Yes, that is the issue. In Cuescore, you declare, say, the match is a race to 7. And then you can set handicaps. A "0" starts at 0 and goes to 7 and so needs to win 7 games. A "4" starts at 4 and so needs to win 3 games. The Interpool Open in Sweden is an example. If you scroll down to see the matches, you can see the handicaps.

Interpool Open 2024

Interpool Open 2024. Interpool Open 9-ball Race to 11 with hcp Winner break Entry is 800kr Interpool Open 2024 rules Break rule: - 1-ball on the spot - 2-ball in the back - Rack your own - 9-ball does not count from the break in the rack corners (if in, respotted) Time schedule. Due to the...

cuescore.com

I suspect in Finland they keep track of the handicaps outside the software.

 

[Poolmanis]

Yes, that is the issue. In Cuescore, you declare, say, the match is a race to 7. And then you can set handicaps. A "0" starts at 0 and goes to 7 and so needs to win 7 games. A "4" starts at 4 and so needs to win 3 games. The Interpool Open in Sweden is an example. If you scroll down to see the matches, you can see the handicaps.

Interpool Open 2024

Interpool Open 2024. Interpool Open 9-ball Race to 11 with hcp Winner break Entry is 800kr Interpool Open 2024 rules Break rule: - 1-ball on the spot - 2-ball in the back - Rack your own - 9-ball does not count from the break in the rack corners (if in, respotted) Time schedule. Due to the...

cuescore.com

I suspect in Finland they keep track of the handicaps outside the software.

Yeah. And scale goes to negative numbers too. I am normally -1 or -2.
Last small open was race to 5 and handicaps were from -1 to 3.
I played okay and won tournament with 6 matches total racks of 40: 36-4.
Only player who gives me handicap is Makkonen..