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Missing a shot Intentionally for a "set-up" on the next shot by position

  • Yes, I know a shot my opp will likely take and miss to set me up

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • yes, knowing they don't like the shot I left them should give me decent position for a breakout

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No. I just lock-in a safety

    Votes: 8 80.0%

  • No. I don't think about it often and play the ball wherever it lands

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • whachoo talkin' bout willis?

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • No, I just play to run out the ball count

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
learn the math that is what it is about. you shoot any shot according to your percentage of making versus missing and what you leave and what is the best recourse. if you cant do that or at least be close you are just playing a guessing game and will never beat better players.

and what boogieman in post 8 said was very much about all pool games for those that didnt understand the gist of his post.
 
I watched a great bank pool match at Derby once, back and forth ,cat and mouse, way above my head strategically and at the end , the one player had a cross corner bank with the object ball a half diamond below the side pocket and the cueball about a diamond above the side pocket on the other side of the table. . I thought what I would shoot here, and came up with playing the cueball up to the long rail maybe get to the head rail and if I missed the ball should be pretty close to the pocket , with many ways to not leave any shot or a very difficult 1 rail bank at best. The player got up and banked the ball in with about double the speed needed to make it and it looked like he had never given the cue ball any thought at all.
I knew the winner a little , had spoken to him a couple of times and I congratulated him and I said ,I am always trying to learn, can you tell me why you shot that ball that firm and just left the cueball in the middle of the table , instead of playing it pocket speed and going up to the end rail. He thought about it a little and said , yeah, that was probably the right shot, but I never thought about missing it.
 
DynoDan said:
Someone like that, you don’t leave a shot, even if have to take 3 fouls, eat the 17 points & re-break. They know all the safety traps.
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Exactly, I opened the door to be trapped, Allen walked right in and I paid the price.
 
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Renegade_56 said:
my point is any time you set up your next shot but miss the current shot in 14.1 you leave the guy a shot
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Not always, especially Early in the rack when there is just 1 ball alone outside of the rack. Sometimes whitey rolls all the way up table and the lone OB away from the stack is now Behind the stack. Now you have to kick, get a rail after, AND leave them SAFE.
 
SmoothStroke said:
It doesn't matter who I am playing. My attitude is stab em in the back and kick em on the ground.
I played a dumb shot once, Hopkins went 80 out on me.
A well known pro and great straight pool player once asked me to give Jack Colavita his phone number
because (his exact words, he needed to learn). This player ran 208 just a few days prior.
Jack knew it all and then some.
His reason for help was safety play and rack management. During a recent match he played safe off his opponents opening break and said opponent went 150 out.
Play safe, set a safety trap if you can, play everybody the same, don't play no bullcrap cutsie shots.
Kick em to the ground, keep your foot on their neck.
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You Sir, get the Platinum award for this thread!
Safety play and Rack management are supreme elements to master in straight pool. I have a bad habit of being tempted by the "cutsie" shots. Trouble with them is: there is nothing to play afterwards.
Knowing a safety trap is key. Your brain says,..."Well its just better at this point to push whitey into the stack and take the intentional foul," BUT you never want to do this,.... first!
 
DynoDan said:
Someone like that, you don’t leave a shot, even if have to take 3 fouls, eat the 17 points & re-break. They know all the safety traps.
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Best if you know the table and/or the player to give the low percentage shot, hope you execute it perfectly, and cross ya fingers. You NEVER want to be the FIRST to take an Intentional foul as it starts a safety battle and you get to 3 foul FIRST.
 
Dunnn51 said:
Not always, especially Early in the rack when there is just 1 ball alone outside of the rack. Sometimes whitey rolls all the way up table and the lone OB away from the stack is now Behind the stack. Now you have to kick, get a rail after, AND leave them SAFE.
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well then you did a piss poor job of setting up the next shot. Did you even read what I said before replying?
 
Renegade_56 said:
well then you did a piss poor job of setting up the next shot. Did you even read what I said before replying?
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Huh?? I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
When I said this :
Sometimes whitey rolls all the way up table and the lone OB away from the stack is now Behind the stack. Now you have to kick, get a rail after, AND leave them SAFE.
,I meant your opponent would do that on an intentional miss leaving you long table and blocked for the OB because it rolled toward the bottom rail and went behind the stack. Most OB's get gently "pushed" to the side of the stack, the closer,(to the stack) the better. Conversely, you can do that to your opp as well.
In this case, you aren't setting up for the next ball; you miss Intentionally and play a safety.
(That is what the question and poll is all about)
Straight pool is entirely different from rotation games. At the beginning of the rack, you shoot, then play safe. You and your opp "jockey" for position to get a break into the stack that is going to allow you to run balls. The game is ZERO SUM. You either execute well, or leave it for your opponent.
 
Dunnn51 said:
Huh?? I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
When I said this :
Sometimes whitey rolls all the way up table and the lone OB away from the stack is now Behind the stack. Now you have to kick, get a rail after, AND leave them SAFE.
,I meant your opponent would do that on an intentional miss leaving you long table and blocked for the OB because it rolled toward the bottom rail and went behind the stack. Most OB's get gently "pushed" to the side of the stack, the closer,(to the stack) the better. Conversely, you can do that to your opp as well.
In this case, you aren't setting up for the next ball; you miss Intentionally and play a safety.
(That is what the question and poll is all about)
Straight pool is entirely different from rotation games. At the beginning of the rack, you shoot, then play safe. You and your opp "jockey" for position to get a break into the stack that is going to allow you to run balls. The game is ZERO SUM. You either execute well, or leave it for your opponent.
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Thanks for the lesson,,,,,,, btw, I have played thousands of hours of straight pool over 50 some years of playing pool. You sound like you read that crap out of a book and never actually played.
 
Dunnn51 said:
I added the last option in the survey b/c I forgot about the 1-pocket players that play straight pool.
They just seem to want to get to "8" in the rack count. They safe OFTEN. Seems their line of thought is if they win the rack count,(8/15) or better repeatedly they will (eventually) win the match. The ones to worry about are the ones who step on the GA$ if you miss. They out of the gate shooting like a thoroughbred, and the only thing you can do is WAIT until they miss, or WIN.
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You call out "Staightpoolers" in the thread title then put options in there relative to one pocket? No wonder these people can't answer simple questions about straight pool.
 
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