Old Dogs New Tricks aka Cue Ball vs Object Ball - Mosconi Team Members Answers

Hirsty said:
In the snooker world, the majority of players look at OB last, however, some are CB including the GOATs Hendry and O'Sullivan.
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Ronnie has worked with a Chinese snooker academy, and now Stephen has let the cat out of the bag regarding their agreement on method. So more youngsters will be following. There's a couple more seasoned players that appear to do it too. John Higgins and Mark Allen. Tomorrow morning has Judd Trump and Barry Hawkins in the finals of the U K Championship. Should be chances to scope out their eye patterns as well.
 
Maybe the important question here is do you as a regular ballbanger benefit from making a change based on world class players form? It seems based on these questionnaires what you look last doesn’t make you a champion but instead sticking with and working on what works for you and avoid making constant changes searching for the holy grail of champion level pool.
 
mjantti said:
working on what works for you and avoid making constant changes searching for the holy grail of champion level pool.
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Changes Habits and Routines
Changes
It's been a while but I vaguely remember Ronnie speaking of tinkering. Approaching Perfection is fun. Recreational players have the luxury of playing for fun. Ronnie has claimed Recreational status.
Habits
can be good or bad. Habits are built. A well built habit is hard to break.
Routine
The root is what anchor a well built structure. Construction of a well built game is challenging and fun. Just making sure if the Route and monitoring of same helps avoid ending up in Canada when Kansas was the perceived destination. 🤗 huh? Check out the movie Nightshift. The breaking it down explanation will make the point. Uh gotta go Snooker is on. Judd vs Barry.....Go Barry!
Edit: had a little more time
 
Enquiring minds will enjoy the Matchroom coverage of the U K Championship finals. Live and oh so entertaining and Educational. What a way to start the match. One good look at Judds eyes was all I need. Most are too pixels to read. Off we go. Judd got 1 and breaks off.
 
I was shocked when I saw the video short of Shaw saying CB last on everything. I tried it. It's crap I'm only CB last when I'm jacked up.

His explanation didn't hold water imo. He knows where the CB is going so he's concentrating on the tip placement. If your stroke is so bad you need to conscious focus on the tip placement while pulling the trigger. You have no hope of being consistent. More likely he's focusing on the aim line rather than either the CB or OB. That's the way I was taught to aim in snooker.

Side Note: First time I've ever used an ignore feature to avoid babbling
 
"Economical with the cueball " is the analysis of Barry Hawkins. Economical and precise. Anyone have a good look yet?
 
Well I got it finally (a good look at eyes)when he drilled the final black. Century answer. 1-1
The truth is available. 🤷‍♂️ hope it doesn't hurt your feelings. 😉
 
The_JV said:
If your stroke is so bad you need to conscious focus on the tip placement while pulling the trigger. You have no hope of being consistent.
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If you're focusing on the CB you can see what your stroke is doing if you're paying attention. If your stroke is bad, looking at CB, OB or anything last isn't the issue. Fix the bleeding and your game will benefit. If you're into pool, but not into it enough to fix a terrible stroke it literally doesn't matter what you're looking at. Enjoy league night, socializing, and have a few drinks.

If you're serious about pool and would miss due to stroke then that's what you should be working on.

If some of the pros are focusing on tip placement when pulling the trigger, it has nothing to do with consistency or somehow reigning their stroke in. It's hitting the microdot. The game can be played either way. Thankfully if we're off a bit the ball usually still goes. This is about perfection. You can take a general approach or you can pinpoint. The OB isn't moving either way. Once it's sighted it all becomes execution and where you hit the CB. Focusing on the CB is a leap of faith, but one that pays dividends.
 
boogieman said:
If you're focusing on the CB you can see what your stroke is doing if you're paying attention. If your stroke is bad, looking at CB, OB or anything last isn't the issue. Fix the bleeding and your game will benefit. If you're into pool, but not into it enough to fix a terrible stroke it literally doesn't matter what you're looking at. Enjoy league night, socializing, and have a few drinks.

If you're serious about pool and would miss due to stroke then that's what you should be working on.

If some of the pros are focusing on tip placement when pulling the trigger, it has nothing to do with consistency or somehow reigning their stroke in. It's hitting the microdot. The game can be played either way. Thankfully if we're off a bit the ball usually still goes. This is about perfection. You can take a general approach or you can pinpoint. The OB isn't moving either way. Once it's sighted it all becomes execution and where you hit the CB. Focusing on the CB is a leap of faith, but one that pays dividends.
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Agreed. With advanced players, once you get down on a shot aren't you already locked into where you plan to hit the object ball? If your mechanics are sound, there's no need to continually focus on where to hit the OB. I'd wager a fair amount of misses with advanced players has more to do with mis hits on the CB vs bad aim, so it makes sense to me to have more focus on where you intend to cue vs where you intend the CB to hit the OB. Shaw may be on to something. This, coming from an OB last guy.
 
rexus31 said:
I'm going to fool around with this but know for certain it will help my cueing accuracy. I'm curious what it does to my shot making.
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I look at it as geometry. First finding the points of contact ball to ball. Then the connection line. Then the tip to ball points and line through after contact.
Development of mechanics makes the delivery more consistent. Observation of the contact give feedback. The quickest way I know of to improve is observe adjust repeat. Practice Practice Practice. 🤷‍♂️
 
Not knowing Why I missed put me on tilt when I was playing object ball last.
Observing the instant cueball response is edumacational. Far fewer chances to tilt is a up side. 🤷‍♂️ Breaking old habits is the downside. Finding the Confidence is the challenge. The leap of faith can be oh so fun....as long as the water is deep enough. 🤷‍♂️
 
Jeremy Jones is also a CB last guy. Doesn't claim it's better, just that it is what he's used to.

Allison Fisher mentioned she's OB ladt mostly but CB ladt jacked up and off the rail.

I like Allisin's apptoach and have adopted that. Being jacked up distorts angles somewhat so OB last doesn't work as well for me as CB, esp with some distance.
 
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