Old Dogs New Tricks aka Cue Ball vs Object Ball - Mosconi Team Members Answers

The $20 Walmart stars and stripes cue was another effective lure. 🤷‍♂️ Prejudice can get expensive.
 
Towards the end I see Mike Massey. It would be interesting to hear his answer to, "which ball last?"
 
"having plateaued" ?
Well that trigger a Grampa story alert: 😉
I had plateaued in the B division. Was a killer B and yet maintained the grade to play in the little tournaments and donating $5 every Wednesday night to the 9 ball lessons with the Big Boys in the Seattle/Tacoma and Olympia area. (With occasional road players). I had the good fortune of striking gold when I asked Backward Jan for a weekly $20 lesson.(mid 80s).
I knew I had struck gold when his response to my request was, "on one condition. We Gotta go back to the basics." 6 weeks of Basic training got me in the Gold. Shrug
I has studied the game mainly through books which helped give a beginning. The material available on youtube is incredible and I would encourage enquiring minds to search it for Stephen Hendry and Barry Stark.
I thank you for those small contributions in the past. 😁
 
Dennis Taylor had a solution.
I was inspired by his solution to come up with an unusual solution for myself.View attachment 793644 When my insurance allowed a new set of glasses I left out the bifocal and now have a pair strictly for pool. Fashioned a filler of plastic and hot melt glue to elevate the lenses. It works!
You can use a heat gun to alter the angle of those lenses and you won't need that large nosepiece that appears to be annoying. Not knocking your glasses, just saying... Less is more in some cases.
I did it w a pair of cheap Walgreens readers that give me 20/20 up to ten feet. Nice... No more aiming at the middle ball out of the 3 I used to see down table.😂
 
Before LASIK it was only CB
After LASIK I tend to go more OB.

In general I think I still look at the CB on short shots, especially when using English. On long shots I tend to look at OB. It’s kind of like open vs closed bridge. I tend to switch between them without much thought.

I think there are benefits/drawbacks to both.

I’ve been thinking of trying to go back to just CB. Seems like it makes the most sense.

I doubt you’d find a golfer that says he looks at the hole instead of the ball.
 
Dennis Taylor had a solution.
I was inspired by his solution to come up with an unusual solution for myself.View attachment 793644 When my insurance allowed a new set of glasses I left out the bifocal and now have a pair strictly for pool. Fashioned a filler of plastic and hot melt glue to elevate the lenses. It works!
Great minds...


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I thank you for those small contributions in the past. 😁
I considered it paying for lessons. 🤷‍♂️
When Wednesday was a cheap lesson and the other 6 evening events were rewarding. I did pay attention.
My Roger Petit cue was Stealth. Not sneaky as it had fibrous material rings at the joint. Guys with thousand dollar rigs were a primary target. 😉
 
Not knocking your glasses
Just got my new prescription and I got lucky. Pushed tight to my brow and I am seeing through a good part of the lense. The nose piece kick stand reminds me of kids in school with glasses taped together at the bridge. Sometimes lots of the white athletic tape. 🤷‍♂️
 
Jeremy Jones is also a CB last guy. Doesn't claim it's better, just that it is what he's used to.

Allison Fisher mentioned she's OB ladt mostly but CB ladt jacked up and off the rail.

I like Allisin's apptoach and have adopted that. Being jacked up distorts angles somewhat so OB last doesn't work as well for me as CB, esp with some distance.
Allison is actually cue ball on the backstroke, object ball on the forward stroke.
 
Because Jayson Shaw recently revealed that he looks at the Cue Ball last when shooting, I was able to get Bobby Hilton (Yale Sharkstream) to ask the panel to each answer which ball they look at last and I was surprised that there was anyone other than Jayson who did the same. It seems to me to be quite difficult to look at the cue ball last while coming through the shot so it may not be possible for this old dog to do this new trick.

Here were the answerrs:

Thorpe.....................CB
Styer.........................OB
Gorst........................OB
SVB...........................OB
Woodward.............OB

Shaw........................CB
Kaci...........................He said Back & Forth but never specified which was last
Krause......................He said Same as Kaci but never specified which was last
Alcaide.....................He made a joke that I couldn't make out but don't believe he specified which ball was last
FSR............................Got everyone laughing saying he now looks at the chalk last because of his recent monumental miscue but finall did say OB.

So of the ten MC team members, 5 said they look at the OB last, 2 (Shaw & Thorpe) said they look at the CB last and 3 (Kaci, Krause & Alcaide) did not specify which ball was last.

He may not still be but Jayson was considered to be one of, if not THE BEST shotmaker in the world so we have to give a lot of weight to what he says and Billy is no slouch either with respect to his shotmaking capabilities. I've been to the table a few times trying the look at cue ball last method and I was not comfortable or successful with it.

I know there was another thread or two running on this topic but I wanted to share what these elite 10 players hadto say about it and I believe it deserved its own thread.

Herte's the video of their answering the question and if anyone can share what David Alcaide is saying Iwouldapprfeciate that clarification.

I can’t comprehend looking at the cueball, I just can’t
 
I can’t comprehend looking at the cueball, I just can’t
Honestly, if your fundamentals are really solid, it shouldn’t matter. Think about all the guys who show off by closing their eyes or turning their head.

My opinion, not that it’s worth much, is that it truly doesn’t matter, as long as your eyes are still.

I do think that looking at the object ball helps you on follow through because it takes away the tendency to stop at the cue ball.
On the other hand, I think looking at the cue ball takes away the tendency to try to “steer” the shot.
 
Allison is actually cue ball on the backstroke, object ball on the forward stroke.
Her eyes move from cue ball to object ball during the pause at the back of her stroke.. Or at least they did when I watched her technique carefully back when she was playing more. It was like clockwork on every shot.
 
Her eyes move from cue ball to object ball during the pause at the back of her stroke.. Or at least they did when I watched her technique carefully back when she was playing more. It was like clockwork on every shot.
That's the way that worked for me before I changed. It works! A few years away from the game and my frustration upon returning led me to the switch. It's not an easy transition. I have been watching Judd closely and the couple of clear looks at his eye patern were enlightening.
 
as long as your eyes are still.
The Confidence factor that's huge! Definitely still eyes when pulling the trigger. 👍 My pause at the back is the final verification. It used to be where I switched to object ball when confident. Now when confident and on the object ball I drop back to the precision of the strike. The calculations are all confirmed at the pause so then it's execution. Robotics work. Build a ball making machine.
 
Her eyes move from cue ball to object ball during the pause at the back of her stroke.. Or at least they did when I watched her technique carefully back when she was playing more. It was like clockwork on every shot.
Yeah that's what I was getting at. I used to focus on doing this and found it was the only semi-natural way to get the Buddy Hall like pause.
 
Just got my new prescription and I got lucky. Pushed tight to my brow and I am seeing through a good part of the lense. The nose piece kick stand reminds me of kids in school with glasses taped together at the bridge. Sometimes lots of the white athletic tape. 🤷‍♂️
Yeah, we rode those poor guys pretty hard back in the day. I should probably apologize to all of them now. Lol.
 
I'm not an expert, but I believe it should depend on what kind of shot you are shooting. I also believe that the decision should be made without any conscious thought.
 
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