Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando

I have to say Alcaide may be one of the most underrated players in the pool world.
I myself always think of him as kind of a weak link on Europe's MC teams. But he has one of the best stats every year, makes good decisions, has great knowlege of the game and has a very solid all around game.
Great guy too. He will stop and talk to you. It was at the international watching him and Ruiz playing partners one ball one pocket
 
Sky scratches on the break,
Good morning, I am just to this post and pages behind in the conversation.
My observations yesterday validating what I was taught ages ago. Possibly by Cole Dixon, the guy they called when the San Francisco break and run pot got huge.
The break is the most important shot in 9 ball. I reflect on Shane's successes being with "the best" break. The adjustments done have changed the 9 ball break. Back in the day on a bar box(uphill both ways) I had a good break. 😉 3 ball break em and kick em was my daily constitutional.
Each player knows "The break" the European team is better execution. Tips the odds significant. Occasionally perfect execution gets stymied by the luck factor. Shrug 🤷‍♂️
I will definitely study the break if I get the chance today. Yesterday the one scratched break had whitey way low after the side rail. Putting it in the cris crossing traffic. Not bad luck , missed shot . Whitey was no where near the 9 after the rail. Was it Kachi that demonstrated the goal? It certainly doesn't have to go but ya gotta say Hello to the 9 and Check your luck.
 
You have to be kidding me.

Fedor and SVB are playing before Tyler in singles.

Skyler is afraid of upsetting Fedor and Shane's ego.
 
1000011170.jpg
 
What is your definition of an exhibition?

I would counter that the Mosconi Cup is an end of season event, where only the best qualify, I think someone else equated it to the playoffs, or perhaps closer to home, the World Pool Masters (i.e. only the best get picked, plus some wildcards and everyone gets paid).

Some people don't like it and thats absolutely their prerogative, however:

It is the only event that non-pool fans watch and talk about
It is the most high profile event on the circuit
The players want to be there (at least the Europeans do, perhaps the Americans think differently, but I doubt it, I believe they want to win just as badly)
Only the best performers qualify
The pressure clearly gets to the players, otherwise they wouldn't miss so many shots that they would normally make (and reading into that, if they feel pressure it must matter to them, hence they obviously feel it is a big event)
Just like the RyderCup in golf. Lots of press, good entertainment, exciting play but it doesn't mean much in terms of a player's career standing. Been some GREAT golfers who didn't play so hot in the RC. Big deal. The fact that even the losing side is guaranteed $$ makes it an exhibition. Good entertainment but doesn't mean much in the long term.
 
You have to be kidding me.

Fedor and SVB are playing before Tyler in singles.

Skyler is afraid of upsetting Fedor and Shane's ego.
I would rather have:

Fedor maybe win one.
SVB maybe win one.

Tyler, Sky, Billy, be the clutch players in case Fedor or SVB can win one between them.

Fedor and SVB are due some rolls right about now, fingers crossed.
 
You can't be serious. 9b at its core has a high luck factor and in ultra-short races its even higher. Proves nothing. Its a once a year exhibition. Nothing more. SVB's(or any other players) standing in the pool world doesn't rely on MC outings. One team event per year doesn't carry much weight over time. You know there's a REALLY good possibility that even quiet WillieM. himself would not have been a great 'cupper. Would that lessen his dominance of the game? Please get real here.
Just like the RyderCup in golf. Lots of press, good entertainment, exciting play but it doesn't mean much in terms of a player's career standing. Been some GREAT golfers who didn't play so hot in the RC. Big deal. The fact that even the losing side is guaranteed $$ makes it an exhibition. Good entertainment but doesn't mean much in the long term.
Garczar, you are such a crank! A delightful one ... but still a crank. Archie Bunker of AZBilliards.
MV5BMWY0YzM2MGQtNjgyMC00YmJiLWE0MzgtMjk0ZjQzMzQ4NmNmXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg
 
Do we really need to rehash the obvious?

Guaranteed if you abide by the rules of the league or organizer in question. He didn't.
What rule would that be? You mean some secret rule in the player contract that may or may not exist? Don't get me wrong, I think he should get a lifetime ban from WNT, but that is just me.

This is an invitational/exhibition match. Move on.
 
A contest that is staged primarily for entertainment value and does not result in any kind of internationally recognized ranking or record.


Why isn't Joshua Filler there? Albin Ouschan? Oscar Dominguez?


Nothing to disagree with here. It is my favorite event.


Again, why isn't Joshua Filler there? Albin Ouschan? Oscar Dominguez?


Nor would they be missing as much, and having to play safeties as much, if the pocket sizes were not such a joke. This is extremely short race 9 ball, I want to see some exhibition shots, not a bunch of tinking around with safeties. Slug it out! This isn't 10 ball, it is 9 ball. And it is pool, not snooker, the tight pockets are a crock.

By your definition events such as The World Pool Masters and The Masters in snooker would simply be exhibitions, yet both are considered 'Majors' in their respective disciplines and any player who wins one is considered to be top tier (I would also point out that broadcasters often comment on a player's Mosconi appearances and/or victories when discussing career highlights). However of course that is your opinion, so be it.

Filler isn't there clearly for some kind of contractual or PR issue, we don't know that 100%, but equally we kind of do.
Albin Ouschan is 17 in the rankings and behind everyone on the European team as well as players such as Wiktor Zielinski and Mario He (he also annoyed Matchroom of course, which may play a part).
Oscar is approx $1,000 ahead of Billy Thorpe in the rankings, you could argue therefore he deserves to be there, but as with The Ryder Cup and other similar events its not uncommon for a Wildcard pick to rank lower than some others, only the top x (depending on the competition rules) qualify by right.

The pockets are the same for everyone, Fedor has done pretty well on tight pockets in other events, I doubt he or anyone on the US side would suggest that is the reason for their performance.

That said, I do agree with you on the pocket sizes, pool isn't snooker and snookerising it doesn't really make sense, we have Chinese 8-Ball if we really wanted to watch pool on a snooker table. I would rather they were a bit bigger, 4.25 seems to be a sensible size to me (however to re-iterate, just because I think that would provide a better spectacle that doesn't make it a valid excuse for either side).
 
Last edited:
What rule would that be? You mean some secret rule in the player contract that may or may not exist? Don't get me wrong, I think he should get a lifetime ban from WNT, but that is just me.

This is an invitational/exhibition match. Move on.
Sorry, no. I don't watch exhibitions in any other sport. Not preseason NFL games. Not spring training. Not Manchester City playing some MLS team.

I am not watching an exhibition in pool, either.
 
Just like the RyderCup in golf. Lots of press, good entertainment, exciting play but it doesn't mean much in terms of a player's career standing. Been some GREAT golfers who didn't play so hot in the RC. Big deal. The fact that even the losing side is guaranteed $$ makes it an exhibition. Good entertainment but doesn't mean much in the long term.

Thats highly subjective!

Sporting results are factual (i.e. someone wins and someone loses), however the prestige associated with any victory is down to the public perception.

I would suggest that to the majority (acknowledging not everyone) of pool fans, the Mosconi Cup is a prestigious event, the players clearly feel the pressure and as fans that is what you want to see, it also suggests it means a lot to them (in a proper exhibition these guys would never miss).

As for non pool fans, the Mosconi Cup is the only event they will have heard of, seen and/or spoken about!
 
Wow I feel like I have walked into fast lane freeway downtown L A. I just wanted to find out what time do they start today. 🤷‍♂️
 
Back
Top