Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando

vjmehra said:
By your definition events such as The World Pool Masters and The Masters in snooker would simply be exhibitions, yet both are considered 'Majors' in their respective disciplines and any player who wins won is considered to be top tier (I would also point out that broadcasters often comment on a player's Mosconi appearances and/or victories when discussing career highlights). However of course that is your opinion, so be it.
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Other sports, especially snooker, have no relevance to a discussion of pool. They are different games/sports.

I believe that getting invited to the World Pool Masters requires you to sign a contract with matchroom. The results of it have no bearing in any internationally recognized rankings or records.

vjmehra said:
Filler isn't there clearly for some kind of contractual or PR issue, we don't know that 100%, but equally we kind of do.
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Or, maybe he pulled out due to the event in Qatar? Who knows? No one knows, that's who.

vjmehra said:
That said, I do agree with you on the pocket sizes, pool isn't snooker and snookerising it doesn't really make sense, we have Chinese 8-Ball if we really wanted to watch pool on a snooker table. I would rather they were a bit bigger, 4.25 seems to be a sensible size to me (however to re-iterate, just because I think that would provide a better spectacle that doesn't make it a valid excuse for either side).
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Agreed, both sides are facing the gaff pockets.
 
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I don't know what i was thinking bringing King Willie into this. He thought 9ball was a fkng gimmick game and probably would not have allowed his name to be used as long as he was alive. Him , Greenleaf, Crane are probably looking down and laughing their asses off watchin this shit.
 
Badpenguin said:
Other sports, especially snooker, have no relevance to a discussion of pool. They are different games/sports.

I believe that getting invited to the World Pool Masters requires you to sign a contract with matchroom. The results of it have no bearing in any internationally recognized rankings or records.


Or, maybe he pulled out due to the event in Quatar? Who knows? No one knows, that's who.


Agreed, both sides are facing the gaff pockets.
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Gaff is the word brother. Go back and watch some of the AccuStats Cameltour matches. The game had so much more flow and waaaay less bunting/safety play. The 'snookerization' of pool is a joke.
 
garczar said:
Why is that??? Because you don't like my opinion??? Have i taken one fkng shot at you??? How this for crank: go piss up a rope.
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I love your opinions, Garczar, even when I disagree! You are my favorite poster on the board.

Your view of the Mosconi is also perfectly reasonable.

And no, you have never taken a shot at me. Nor am I taking a shot at you. My apologies.

If I knew how to piss up a rope, I'd do it to make up for my faux pas. But I, ah, have never done it before and I don't know how it is done!
 

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Fatboy said:
I fully agree the team idea at the start of each day is brilliant. Should have been that way in the past. Great format to start the day.

Also I noticed that alcaide looks relaxed and more comfortable than anyone else there. He ain’t buying into the “most pressure ever” drama. All biz, no BS.

Great summery Jay. Any thoughts on the purple 5? 😉

Best
Fatboy😃😃
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The fact that after a couple of years now, the commentators still have to tell the viewing audience which ball is the four and five. The correct ball colors have long been ingrained into our consciousness and do not need any interpretation. This may have been the single biggest insult to American pool that Matchroom has made. It shows a total lack of respect for a long standing integral part of our sport. To me ball colors are sacrosanct in our game. In other words untouchable!

Can you imagine changing the five ball in snooker to pink? The entire snooker world would go crazy! Of course Matchroom would never do that, would they.
 
jay helfert said:
The fact that after a couple of years now, the commentators still have to tell the viewing audience which ball is the four and five. \
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You know it pisses Emily off when one of the announcers mentions the "pink four" or "purple five", but they're just doing us all a favor.

The incorrect colors have changed and will change the outcome of matches.

She could make the whole thing go away and might still do that in a moment of introspective clear thinking.
 
Maybe Matchroom will give a good look at their eyes on the break. 🤷‍♂️ (My wish list)(right after ask Mike Massey). 😉
 
Badpenguin said:
Other sports, especially snooker, have no relevance to a discussion of pool. They are different games/sports.

I believe that getting invited to the World Pool Masters requires you to sign a contract with matchroom. The results of it have no bearing in any internationally recognized rankings or records.
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Yep, but it is considered a major and is recognised as a significant achievement by fans (and importantly sponsors) therefore it matters far more than an exhibition.

I use the snooker example purely to highlight that the same applies to other sports (and its also pretty similar as snooker too has exhibitions, but no-one would call The Masters an exhibition).

Consider this:

SVB vs Jayson Shaw in the Mosconi Cup, compared to the same players, same race length etc. but at a club with no tv cameras, just a few locals hanging around (i.e. an exhibition), in which scenario do the players miss more shots?

I presume everyone would agree the former and therefore there is a difference between an exhibition and the Mosconi Cup.

Subjective of course, but I struggle to see how they are the same.
 
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jay helfert said:
The fact that after a couple of years now, the commentators still have to tell the viewing audience which ball is the four and five. The correct ball colors have long been ingrained into our consciousness and do not need any interpretation. This may have been the single biggest insult to American pool that Matchroom has made. It shows a total lack of respect for a long standing integral part of our sport. To me ball colors are sacrosanct in our game. In other words untouchable!

Can you imagine changing the five ball in snooker to pink? The entire snooker world would go crazy! Of course Matchroom would never do that, would they.
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I completely agree with you regarding the ball colours, its annoying...however I think even without the changes the commentators would still say the number and colour as the Sky Sports commentary team are commentating mainly for casual viewers in the UK and only a handful are likely to know the correct ball colours.
 
Badpenguin said:
Agreed, on the woman in white.

Kind of a dead horse at this point, but I was talking about this.

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I'm sure she is a lovely woman, but in the context of the MC I don't feel she is appropriate. I'd rather see an Allison Fisher, Jasmin Ouschan, someone who shows some respect to the game.

My apologies for ever bringing this up in the first place.
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hmmmmm, might have to agree with you on this one.

Lou Figueroa
 
jbart65 said:
Amazed in this day and age I can still go to a site and find debate on how women dress! AZBilliards is in a time warp!


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I don’t think that’s the central issue.

It’s more a question of, male or female, appropriate dress for the occasion.

I’m sure at another type of soirée that look would be just fine. Instead, it’s like one of the male announcers going on camera looking like Alan Cumming when he starred in Caberet a few years back on Broadway, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 

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jbart65 said:
I love your opinions, Garczar, even when I disagree! You are my favorite poster on the board.

Your view of the Mosconi is also perfectly reasonable.

And no, you have never taken a shot at me. Nor am I taking a shot at you. My apologies.

If I knew how to piss up a rope, I'd do it to make up for my faux pas. But I, ah, have never done it before and I don't know how it is done!
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Come on.

There are only a few unwritten rules around here and I may get punished for posting one of them but it needs to be known.

Unwritten rule #23:
NEVER APOLOGIZE To Garczar!!!

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Apologizing to Garczar is like the stupid hand wave after the lucky safe. Save the wave and just go sit down. Enough hand waving already. We all know the game involves luck.
 
Badpenguin said:
Agreed, on the woman in white.

Kind of a dead horse at this point, but I was talking about this.

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I'm sure she is a lovely woman, but in the context of the MC I don't feel she is appropriate. I'd rather see an Allison Fisher, Jasmin Ouschan, someone who shows some respect to the game.

My apologies for ever bringing this up in the first place.
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Wow, there's a lot to unwrap here.
 
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