10ft Table Question

how often can you run out on a 10 ft. the break will not help you very much there. you will have long combo shots which cant be taken so your outs from the break might be close to nil.
hit hard from the center and bring cueball backwards a few feet.

plan on playing a game of strategy instead of a shooting fest and you will win more games.
long leave safes instead of shooting shots that are marginal on a 9 that are not playable for most players on a 10 ft.

shots being longer makes you unconsciously not adjust enough for throw.
watch to see your shots are not hitting the rail side of the pockets.

straight across on the rails is good for a no make safe.
learn the 4 rail bank that doesnt go on a 9 and use it for your safes.

good luck.
ive got years of playing almost solely on them.
 
maha said:
how often can you run out on a 10 ft. the break will not help you very much there. you will have long combo shots which cant be taken so your outs from the break might be close to nil.
hit hard from the center and bring cueball backwards a few feet.

plan on playing a game of strategy instead of a shooting fest and you will win more games.
long leave safes instead of shooting shots that are marginal on a 9 that are not playable for most players on a 10 ft.

shots being longer makes you unconsciously not adjust enough for throw.
watch to see your shots are not hitting the rail side of the pockets.

straight across on the rails is good for a no make safe.
learn the 4 rail bank that doesnt go on a 9 and use it for your safes.

good luck.
ive got years of playing almost solely on them.
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All good points here. Distance is your friend when playing safe on the big boxes. Watch some Ten Ball matches on Youtube and see how many long shots (out in the open) are missed by top players on the 10'. What maha said is correct, everything is magnified exponentially when you are shooting from distance. Even the best players tend to over correct for it. Not always of course, but sometimes.

Back in the day/era when ten footers were the norm and players like Greenleaf, Ponzi and Rudolph were the champs, a run of 100 balls was a rarity. For a long time the tournament record was something like 127.
 
ChrisinNC said:
As the wing balls set 11% further from the pockets on a 10’ table, the pockets are essentially 11% tighter, which is one reason it is harder to make balls on the break on a 10’ table.
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If the balls used on a 10-foot table were 12% larger in diameter than the balls used on a 9-foot table, i.e., larger by the same factor as the two playing surfaces differ (112x56 is 12% greater in each direction than 100x50), then the wing ball would be 12% farther from the pocket (and from the foot rail and from the side rail) on the 10-footer than on the 9-footer. But since 2¼" balls are used on both tables, the distance to the corner pocket on the 10-footer is actually more than 12% greater -- it is about 15¾% greater.

But from post #15 above, top pros seem to have about the same degree of success achieving a successful 10-Ball break on 10-footers as on 9-footers.
 
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Flakeandrun said:
Have a few cash games lined up on a nice diamond 10ft while people are in town for this tourney. Playing some 10 ball for a nice slice of cheese. Love playing on the table, but have a question.
I have a very consistent 10ball break on a 9ft table. The Standard balls in the side, shot on the 1. Placing the CB just off dead centre, and going at them about 75% power.
On the 10ft table, those usual balls don’t drop. I’m more likely to get corners of the rack (2 or 3 ball) around the table into corner pockets, or the 1 in a top corner - Regardless of whether I max the power or not. Is it simply a case of working the speed out, or is there a something else?
Got a couple days to figure it out.
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where is a diamond 10ftr in the wild?
 
rivercitysledge said:
where is a diamond 10ftr in the wild?
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Here :)

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AtLarge said:
Dr. Dave has tabulated some of the stats from many of my stats threads. Here is his table for 10-Ball, and each entry shows the size of the table:

For a quick estimate of successful breaks on 10-footers vs. 9-footers, I just calculated the mean of that table's 17 entries for 10-footers and 27 entries for 9-footers. The result was about 59% on 10-footers and 58% on 9-footers. These means are different from what you would get as the actual successful break rate from dividing the total number of successful breaks for all of those events by the total number of games. Nor did I do anything in the calculation to take account of different pocket sizes, different types of racks, who was racking, the quality of the field, or anything else. So consider the results quick and dirty. But a quick conclusion would be that the rate of successful breaks by top pros for 10-Ball may be roughly the same on 10-footers as on 9-footers.
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You post the most interesting stuff on this forum! Thank you! :)

jay helfert said:
Every table plays/breaks different! Vary where you place the cue ball until you find a good spot that gives you better results. Earl used to do exactly this when warming up for a match, shooting break shots and moving the cue ball around until he found his "sweet" spot.
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Thanks Jay, spent the last two days trying to get something figured out. I am feeling pretty comfortable with my ability in breaking now. I am going to start lined up with the third row of the rack. Moving more central, with more speed, if things need changing.

maha said:
how often can you run out on a 10 ft. the break will not help you very much there. you will have long combo shots which cant be taken so your outs from the break might be close to nil.
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To be honest, I feel it is much easier to navigate the extra space. I prefer it to the 9ft - but then I am only playing on 4" Rasson 9ft tables, and these pockets on the Diamond are nowhere near that tight. I am guessing 4.5" will check tomorrow. That extra foot doesn't sound like it should be much, but it allows me to rely on a lot of the fundamentals I had from snooker regarding cue action. Things that I had altered to play on the 9ft where I am navigating angles and using more sidespin. Now I am back to using a lot more top and bottom, and a lot less side spin. Lot more comfortable cue action mechanics. It is actually quite refreshing to play on this equipment.

maha said:
Hit hard from the center and bring cueball backwards a few feet.
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Yes, this Is how I work the break on a 9ft with good success rate. Just off center and sit the CB with a shot on the one - on the 10ft, so far after a bit of practice, I have found lining the CB up with the outside ball of the third row of the rack is giving me the most chance of a ball in the middle, and I am hitting this at around my maximum power to do so (within the realm of being able to control the CB center table). Problem I've found so far is occasionally sinking the one ball in the top corner. I have toyed with moving it more central and really giving it my all, but that let's the CB of the string.

I have tried breaking from the side, but I make a mess and a ton of clusters. Not suited to my game at all.
maha said:
long leave safes instead of shooting shots that are marginal on a 9 that are not playable for most players on a 10 ft.
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I am kind of hoping that my opponent is in this frame of mind, as I quite fancy the ball from just about anywhere. Distance isn't a factor I've found to be an issue, or off-putting.
maha said:
shots being longer makes you unconsciously not adjust enough for throw.
watch to see your shots are not hitting the rail side of the pockets.

straight across on the rails is good for a no make safe.
learn the 4 rail bank that doesnt go on a 9 and use it for your safes.
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There's some very useable stuff here! Much appreciate your input. The first guy I am playing, I have a suspicion is a lot more bark than bite. I am pretty excited to see how it goes, and feeling really good.
maha said:
good luck.
ive got years of playing almost solely on them.
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Got three games lined up over the next few days, two this weekend. Hoping things go well tomorrow!

Thank you all for the input!
 
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bbb said:
Good luck and let us know how things went
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Feeling pretty happy with myself. Up more than I've ever been. Got one more game coming up a couple days after NY.
Took 3 out of 3 so far, and have one rematch scheduled.

Game One: I was shitting bricks at the start, all that time practicing the break and I lost the lag, then didn't get to break for 6 games... went on a bit of a run till 15-7 my way, then it tightened up a bit. Took it 21-17. There was a little purple patch where I had 5 BnR in 7 racks. Felt very strong.

Game Two: Not much to say about it, I am not sure why he matched up with me. Feel he might have been pushed into it a little, but it was a total walkover. I by no means played well, and took it 21-10. He missed many balls at the start, and I really had to fight my urge to take on ridiculous shots and continue to take it seriously. If we weren't playing for a chunk of change, I'd probably have stopped the game halfway through. The rematch is also with this guy, and he wants to play 9ball on a 9ft. Keeping my wits about me and practicing a little today before NYE drinking knocks me back.That's either the worst day he's had all year, or he really didn't prepare or think about the match up.

Game Three: Really respect this player, and having watched him play a lot, I was pretty nervous. I was going into it pretty well up, so mentally that really helped me. Knowing I would still be up even If I lost. There was one tense moment at 13-11 my way, where he squeezed behind a ball to make the 5 down the rail, from my angle it hit the 7, then the 5. It got a bit too verbal, and then both had a realization that we can just use the store camera to check. Result inconclusive, and I stand by my observation. But I gave the benefit of the doubt to him in the end. He took that rack. But I feel that tension gave me a good nudge to knuckle down.
I got a chance in the next rack, took it. Then tried to stay as offensive as I could. He is a much better safety player than me. Game ended at 21-15 my way, and I would have taken that in a heartbeat at the start. Any other day, I think he's having me. I think the agitation in the middle of the game served in my favor on this occasion.

Thanks for all the info in this thread. Definitely a fan of the big table.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Spent yesterday trying to figure it out, which is what prompted my question. I like how it plays, more space and so it feels like more wiggle room position wise.
Just couldn’t get the break working and it frustrated me a little, as I quite fancy my 10ball break on a 9ft - on this table I am making the 1,2 and 3 sporadically, as described in the initial post, rather than squeezing the usual one or two balls in the center with a shot on the one. Just wanted to know if there was any rhyme or reason to it.


Not a waste of time, invited to a few money games on it, with players I’d not normally get a chance to play. But you’re right, I should watch some Bigfoot matches on YouTube.

it’s a beautiful thing, will post a photo of her tomorrow. Got two more days to get a bit of practice on her.
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Frient of mine had one. I played on it for about 15 minutes and almost made a ball.
It was the FN cue ball!
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Flakeandrun said:
Feeling pretty happy with myself. Up more than I've ever been. Got one more game coming up a couple days after NY.
Took 3 out of 3 so far, and have one rematch scheduled.

Game One: I was shitting bricks at the start, all that time practicing the break and I lost the lag, then didn't get to break for 6 games... went on a bit of a run till 15-7 my way, then it tightened up a bit. Took it 21-17. There was a little purple patch where I had 5 BnR in 7 racks. Felt very strong.

Game Two: Not much to say about it, I am not sure why he matched up with me. Feel he might have been pushed into it a little, but it was a total walkover. I by no means played well, and took it 21-10. He missed many balls at the start, and I really had to fight my urge to take on ridiculous shots and continue to take it seriously. If we weren't playing for a chunk of change, I'd probably have stopped the game halfway through. The rematch is also with this guy, and he wants to play 9ball on a 9ft. Keeping my wits about me and practicing a little today before NYE drinking knocks me back.That's either the worst day he's had all year, or he really didn't prepare or think about the match up.

Game Three: Really respect this player, and having watched him play a lot, I was pretty nervous. I was going into it pretty well up, so mentally that really helped me. Knowing I would still be up even If I lost. There was one tense moment at 13-11 my way, where he squeezed behind a ball to make the 5 down the rail, from my angle it hit the 7, then the 5. It got a bit too verbal, and then both had a realization that we can just use the store camera to check. Result inconclusive, and I stand by my observation. But I gave the benefit of the doubt to him in the end. He took that rack. But I feel that tension gave me a good nudge to knuckle down.
I got a chance in the next rack, took it. Then tried to stay as offensive as I could. He is a much better safety player than me. Game ended at 21-15 my way, and I would have taken that in a heartbeat at the start. Any other day, I think he's having me. I think the agitation in the middle of the game served in my favor on this occasion.

Thanks for all the info in this thread. Definitely a fan of the big table.
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Nice playing. "5 BnR in 7 racks" -- You are a straight shooter, no doubt. Thanks for sharing your matches with us.

What size were the corner pockets?
 
7stud said:
Nice playing. "5 BnR in 7 racks" -- You are a straight shooter, no doubt. Thanks for sharing your matches with us.
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Was pretty high on life after. Have managed to resist the urge to blow tons on NYE which I am also happy about haha
7stud said:
What size were the corner pockets?
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Will be there tomorrow for a game, so will grab a picture and ask the store on the pocket dimensions. They feel enormous compared to the Rasson that I’m used to.
 
iusedtoberich said:
No houses in China unless you own a factory. ha ha.
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There's tons of houses here. Suburbs full of them. You'd actually be surprised at the varied housing situations that exist here. I often am. The maneuvering of people from the mega city situations that have been created, often involves large payments and housing provision in a district outside of the more downtown areas that become overpopulated. I really don't have the time or effort to describe all the pros or cons of the various housing situations, or describe my thoughts on the sheer lack of humanity that exists in 'city based societies' around the globe in general. You know what I am like, you will get pages and pages hahahah

Getting some coffee and some breakfast, then game on!

He asked for quite an unusual spot actually - He wants to break from the side, and me MR format, loser breaks - I have never been asked for such a weird spot.
 
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Flakeandrun said:
There's tons of houses here. Suburbs full of them. You'd actually be surprised at the varied housing situations that exist here. I often am. The maneuvering of people from the mega city situations that have been created, often involves large payments and housing provision in a district outside of the more downtown areas that become overpopulated. I really don't have the time or effort to describe all the pros or cons of the various housing situations, or describe my thoughts on the sheer lack of humanity that exists in 'city based societies' around the globe in general. You know what I am like, you will get pages and pages hahahah

Getting some coffee and some breakfast, then game on!

He asked for quite an unusual spot actually - He wants to break from the side, and me MR format, loser breaks - I have never been asked for such a weird spot.
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Reminds me of a game I saw in about 2005 at the Super Billiards Expo. Jeanette Lee was gambling one of the Dominican Republic players. On her break, it was 9 ball. On his break, it was 10 ball. They bet I think about 60k. Breedlove had all the money in a shoebox. One railbird wanted to bet 500. Breedlove said 1k minimum. They started around midnight and played all night. Lee lost. A couple hours later in the daytime she was all dolled up and signing posters for the squares walking through the expo. The hard core players knew she was the real deal degenerate like the rest of us:)
 
iusedtoberich said:
Reminds me of a game I saw in about 2005 at the Super Billiards Expo. Jeanette Lee was gambling one of the Dominican Republic players. On her break, it was 9 ball. On his break, it was 10 ball. They bet I think about 60k. Breedlove had all the money in a shoebox. One railbird wanted to bet 500. Breedlove said 1k minimum. They started around midnight and played all night. Lee lost. A couple hours later in the daytime she was all dolled up and signing posters for the squares walking through the expo. The hard core players knew she was the real deal degenerate like the rest of us:)
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60k in a shoebox... love it! I'm up about 60k RMB, a bit far from that level 🤣
 
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