Full splice lost art

garczar said:
1991 during a TexasExpress event. 16cues were tried by over 50 players, 800 test hits. 70% could not identify the joint in the cues they hit. If they did this same test with varying construction methods the results would be the same. Few if any would identify the build method by the hit/feel.
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30% is more than a few.
I don't wish to kick a dead horse, but it's a proven fact there are those among us w superior tactile awareness. Otherwise there'd be no fighter pilots, whiskey sommoliers, or parfumnistas. There are those among us mere mortals more sensitive to everything. That's how blind people learn braille. Developing the part of the brain that deals with spatial and tactile recognition. Certain musicians, even old pool players who can stop that cue ball in a 2" circle every time, where most are happy being within a diamond.
I'm confident in the fact I can tell which joint a cue has in a blind test. I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm not the only one. It has a lot to do with when you started playing and the variety of joints were slim. You got used to how certain pins and joint materials hit real quick.
You'd better or it could cost you money!!!
I'm out.
 
skogstokig said:
how is it a lost art when full splice house cues are plentiful and there are videos on how to make one from scratch?

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I watch all of his videos, it really makes me want to start cue making as a hobby. Sure looks like one heck of a steep learning curve.

I own many different styles of cues, put me in the boat of not being able to distinguish between FS and other other construction if I were blindfolded.
 
Ascue said:
So as this fella said, perhaps the OP mispoke. I have learned alot on this thread about cues. Various splices. Full, short, half. I also went to soaring eagle tourney today and hit a Jacoby with ashort splice. Salesman didnt know full splice from short splice at first but as we talked he explained it was short with a handle then added. Apparently like my jump break. He didnt pretend to know it all about cues and remained friendly. Perhaps some of you might act the same if we were face to face. Thats the nature of online forums, attack attack attack. I tried that short splice as well as a laminated butt. I coul feel the difference. Im sorry you guys cant. Im assuming a full splice deadens or softens the hit even more. Enjoy your catty debates and insults. And thx for all info. I learned alot.
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How many balls did you miss with the laminated butt that the spliced butt made for you? Was it the same pin? Any ivory ? Let us know all the deets asschew
 
Mensabum said:
30% is more than a few.
I don't wish to kick a dead horse, but it's a proven fact there are those among us w superior tactile awareness. Otherwise there'd be no fighter pilots, whiskey sommoliers, or parfumnistas. There are those among us mere mortals more sensitive to everything. That's how blind people learn braille. Developing the part of the brain that deals with spatial and tactile recognition. Certain musicians, even old pool players who can stop that cue ball in a 2" circle every time, where most are happy being within a diamond.
I'm confident in the fact I can tell which joint a cue has in a blind test. I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm not the only one. It has a lot to do with when you started playing and the variety of joints were slim. You got used to how certain pins and joint materials hit real quick.
You'd better or it could cost you money!!!
I'm out.
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How many you think were just dead guessing??? Hell, one guy was a Meucci staff player and the cue he liked the best was a steel-joint Helmstetter. You let 100 people test ,say, 50 cues of varying construction and i'd bet less than 20%(maybe) could tell you how the butt was made. Take SW cues for one example, there are LEGIONS of players that swear this is THE best hitting cue on the planet. All of them are half-splice cues. Too many other factors in play. 'superior tactile awareness' lol. I'm gonna need waders if the shit gets any deeper here. ;)
 
garczar said:
The tip, ferrule, shaft material and taper have way more effect than the joint or how the butt is made.
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I agree but I used to think the butt had no effect on the shaft until I purchased a butt that made my normal playing shaft hit like a 2 x 4! Maybe it’s all in my head🤷‍♂️?
 
Rodney said:
I agree but I used to think the butt had no effect on the shaft until I purchased a butt that made my normal playing shaft hit like a 2 x 4! Maybe it’s all in my head🤷‍♂️?
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not what i'm saying, at all. all cues play different but there are too many factors in play to lay the hit/feel on one part of the cue. these fs zealots think they could hit a series of cues and pick out the fs cues based on the hit. No way jose. Not going for it.
 
garczar said:
How many you think were just dead guessing??? Hell, one guy was a Meucci staff player and the cue he liked the best was a steel-joint Helmstetter. You let 100 people test ,say, 50 cues of varying construction and i'd bet less than 20%(maybe) could tell you how the butt was made. Take SW cues for one example, there are LEGIONS of players that swear this is THE best hitting cue on the planet. All of them are half-splice cues. Too many other factors in play. 'superior tactile awareness' lol. I'm gonna need waders if the shit gets any deeper here. ;)
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Apologies for hitting a nerve. I'll play nice. 😂
 
garczar said:
not what i'm saying, at all. all cues play different but there are too many factors in play to lay the hit/feel on one part of the cue. these fs zealots think they could hit a series of cues and pick out the fs cues based on the hit. No way jose. Not going for it.
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No way could I do that.
Fairly positive I can tell between ss and implex. That's all I'm saying.
 
I can't possibly bring myself to care about the specificity of cues to the level as described in this here thread. But I do know that a pool cue....any pool cue...is better than the keyboard at the office. My cue is the pic in my avatar. I love it dearly ('specially the skulls). Now boyz, that's Metal A.F. right there.
 
I may not know shit about how to build a car but I sure do know when I’m driving a car that feels right. If it if it doesn’t feel right there are too many possibilities to list that could be (some of which are just personal preference) but it could be just one that makes it not right.
 
T411 said:
I may not know shit about how to build a car but I sure do know when I’m driving a car that feels right. If it if it doesn’t feel right there are too many possibilities to list that could be (some of which are just personal preference) but it could be just one that makes it not right.
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And on the other side of that I may be a master mechanic and build race cars and I do know that it’s just one little minuscule thing that makes the difference one way or another.
 
Mensabum said:
No way could I do that.
Fairly positive I can tell between ss and implex. That's all I'm saying.
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nope. A Meucci staff player thought a steel joint Helm was his cue. You think you could tell two cues apart just by the joint? not happening.
 
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Rodney said:
I agree but I used to think the butt had no effect on the shaft until I purchased a butt that made my normal playing shaft hit like a 2 x 4! Maybe it’s all in my head🤷‍♂️?
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The butt absolutely effects the way a cue feels.
There are a LOT of factors that come into play.
Some people like to focus on things that are very minor and may or may not have much effect.
Pin thread count, points/no points, some of it is kind of silly, and seems to lose sight of the bigger picture.
 
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My gilbert jump break started life as a full splice cue. The butt was then cut at the base of the spliced points. The wood grain still matches up perfectly between the pieces. Whether this affects the performance of the splice or whether you wish to not call it a full splice or call it a half splice, I guess, is your business. In all honesty, I didn't know many of you guys don't really have a life. Sorry about that. Let the tearing apart of me begin anew .
 
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