Techniques

Flakeandrun said:
I was talking with a few Taiwanese players about this a while back, among them Big and middle Ko (who also do this).
It's using natural impetus to ensure the line of the cue through the ball, when a firmer grip can potentially cause more deviation against the edge of the rail. I think it's a 'feel' based rule when applying it. I find it works well for me, and I am not at a level to critique other players who I know employ this method.
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He explained quite astutely in a you tube that once released, the cue can only continue on that line.
 
u see but no no

actually you are talking about something different. which really has no effect. but could or may work for some, but i dont know how.
 
maha said:
u see but no no

actually you are talking about something different. which really has no effect. but could or may work for some, but i dont know how.
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Me? It's the release stroke right? The Ko bit was from a power draw lesson but the principle is identical.
Actually I'd need a table so I can obsess over the technique but what I do instead is simply air shoot anything jacked/topped/or otherwise elevated. This determines the cue line but more importantly, the cue _direction_. Actually shooting the shot is a simple matter of CBL and shooting center ball in that precise direction. I say precise because when shooting, _where_ you point the cue is as precise as it needs to be.
 
straightline said:
He explained quite astutely in a you tube that once released, the cue can only continue on that line.
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oh really? Can you link it here? It was a discussion amongst a few of them while playing a 'horse' style game for a bit of cash one evening at the hall. I have watched both Big and Middle Ko play a few times, and both of them do it. As does Wang Hung Hsiang, and Lu Hui Chan.
maha said:
u see but no no
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Well, the cue traveling backwards in the hand in a slipping motion I see no use for at all.
maha said:
actually you are talking about something different. which really has no effect. but could or may work for some, but i dont know how.
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Traveling forward an inch or so, which is all you want it to do in the situation previously described, means the ball is only going to travel along the intended line. There is no room for deviation from the rail that might otherwise occur. I would use it in no other situation. I know some people perhaps consider this when applying their max limitations of top or bottom spin. I don't. I do however have a more pronounced wrist snap on longer draw shots.
 
Flakeandrun said:
oh really? Can you link it here? It was a discussion amongst a few of them while playing a 'horse' style game for a bit of cash one evening at the hall. I have watched both Big and Middle Ko play a few times, and both of them do it. As does Wang Hung Hsiang, and Lu Hui Chan.

Can't find it, the title is probably in Chinese. It, along with Chua's take (same stroke) were both easily available a couple years ago. I might have embedded it in the aiming forum though.
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Flakeandrun said:
oh really? Can you link it here? It was a discussion amongst a few of them while playing a 'horse' style game for a bit of cash one evening at the hall. I have watched both Big and Middle Ko play a few times, and both of them do it. As does Wang Hung Hsiang, and Lu Hui Chan.
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Can't find it. It was an early one at least a couple years ago. They may have removed it. You'll have to search in Chinese or ask him yourself.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
The diagrammed cut angle is noticeably less (straighter) than 90 degrees.

pj
chgo
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My confusion about the diagram must be more fundamental because I don't know how that statement is relevant.

Suppose the OB's position was moved up and to the left along the connecting tangent, say 3". Hitting along the connecting tangent would sink the OB at its new location into the same pocket as the original OB? I don't see how that is possible. I guess I don't understand how the connecting tangent has anything to do with the direction of the pocket.

And, what is CPG?
 
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7stud said:
My confusion about the diagram must be more fundamental because I don't know how that statement is relevant.

Suppose the OB's position was moved up and to the left along the connecting tangent, say 3". Hitting along the connecting tangent would sink the OB at its new location into the same pocket as the original OB? I don't see how that is possible. I guess I don't understand how the connecting tangent has anything to do with the direction of the pocket.

And, what is CPG?
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The gist is aiming when the rock and OB are close to each other.

CPG is contact point geometry - found elsewhere on the forum. It works perfectly because it "quadrangulates' the orientation of the balls exactly, providing the _required stick direction_besides the rest of the shot. That's everything in not missing. Yes I know CIT, SIT, CE, etc... You develop offsets for those as you require.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Is there a description of how to visualize it?

pj
chgo
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I can tell you how I lock the image in but it's too hard to draw for me. If there's an inch or more of space between the balls, I put my thumb on the cloth at the mid point and my index at the contact point on the object ball. Thumb to index is enough to supply the stick direction.
 
straightline said:
I can tell you how I lock the image in but it's too hard to draw for me. If there's an inch or more of space between the balls, I put my thumb on the cloth at the mid point and my index at the contact point on the object ball. Thumb to index is enough to supply the stick direction.
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Thanks. The midpoint = midway between the balls?

So kinda like contact point to contact point…?

pj
chgo
 
lfigueroa said:
Come on, Bob, let ‘em loose. (cue ball close to object ball)
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There are a bunch of them....

Just a very short, recoiling stroke -- maybe call it the "snake tongue".
Modified masse (fuller on CB) to avoid penetration.
Inside english even if you don't want it for position
Fouetté
Palm slap -- in Hoppe
Dipping tip for close draw
Grip hand near joint
Grip hits table.
Aiming by dividing the distance between the balls by a ball diameter to find out where to point your stick (angle multiplier)
For aiming thin, close cuts, learn to match the thin overlap (football, lens) with the difference from a 90-degee cut.

I bet Dr. Dave discusses most of these in more detail.
 
maha said:
close to the rail use the stroke you are most comfortable with.

but like with a golf swing most times your stroke is the same stroke. just different speeds.

and usually its best to use the same stroke and speed for all shots unless you cant get your shot and position right with your hit on the cue ball.
as that is more consistent than to adjust your speed of your stroke.

you notice good bankers try to hit their banks the same speed.
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I hear you, but my banking tip is different: consider adjusting stroke speed and shot softness before adding sidespin or top/bottom spin. Softer shots create wider angles and are easier to predict than shots with spin and force.
 
lfigueroa said:
So, do any of you out there in radio land have particular techniques for certain shots?

IOWs, when a certain shot pops up do you auto-magically utilize something different than your usual to successfully execute said shot?

Lou Figueroa
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Certain shots (jump, long off the rail, long/tough) I look at the cue ball last before delivery and that has really improved my shot making.
 
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