I Miss Two Day Tournaments

This year I am just going on Friday Saturday and Sunday of each week.

I have gone to EVERY DCC.

Some advancement, with the player boards and the scoring screens at each table.

I had something that just about broke my heart last Saturday. A father had brought his young son, (maybe 10 - 12) to come and see the pro's and hero's. Of course they were turned away. This site and others constantly bitch about the lack of new young players and then we have probably the largest US tournament and the youngsters cant watch.

To me this is probably the biggest bummer of the whole event.

Ken
Think it was Fedor that wasn't allowed to play a few years ago due to age.

I remember when Alex wasn't old enough to play the Camel tour, think he may have been 17 beating the world and couldn't play. He was at the stop in Columbus OH playing the 10 ball ghost at the poolroom lol
 
I would never call any pool table perfect, but Diamonds are closer to it than most.
They are easy to work on, easy to set up, and remain very consistent. Which is the #1 thing table makers should strive for, in my opinion.
Consistency is a player's best friend.
Yeah, consistently pin ball machines. The rest of their table is excellent! How they took over is beyond me. Top amateurs like Jewett and Lou in this thread alone know what I’m talking about. I’m not the crazy one.
 
Yeah, consistently pin ball machines. The rest of their table is excellent! How they took over is beyond me. Top amateurs like Jewett and Lou in this thread alone know what I’m talking about. I’m not the crazy one.
I'm with ya, even more surprising, the red labels took over - WTF???

Not a fan either, spit out way too many balls. If you're gonna have 4" pockets, anything hit into them should fall.

As I've said multiple times, my 10' with 4 1/16th pockets actually let you make the ball if it's hit 100mph down the rail. This shit is garbage!
 
Well, I never agreed with Nick about the (Blue Label) tables.. They play perfect. But there is a LOT to be desired in pretty everything else about the way DCC is run. Diamond makes a lot of money, and spending a few thousand dollars to pay a competent coder to get their tournament software in a better state would be much appreciated.

A few more years of weak action though.. And I think we might see attendance numbers for the "dead money" start to wane at DCC.

IMO, the blue label Diamonds play pretty good -- the newer blue oval label Diamonds not as good.

Totally admit that is from limited exposure between my home room, Railyard Billiards, and the DCC.

Lou Figueroa
 
So, if you is a 1pocket player where are the bestest two-day tournaments?

Where can a boy go and just play a simple old fashioned double elimination 1pocket tournament?

Lou Figueroa
 
I'm with ya, even more surprising, the red labels took over - WTF???

Not a fan either, spit out way too many balls. If you're gonna have 4" pockets, anything hit into them should fall.

As I've said multiple times, my 10' with 4 1/16th pockets actually let you make the ball if it's hit 100mph down the rail. This shit is garbage!
Not that surprising. Diamond started sponsoring the DCC at the Executive West, and it was a shot in the arm for the American pool scene which was seeing less and less major events. The better players/pros knew the Red Label Diamonds played wonky, but there was SO much action in those days with lesser players, that after a year or two, it became very much worth it to have a Diamond to practice on before the event, because there was a LOT of money to be made, both in the myriad of events being held during DCC, and the side action. The best players quickly figured out how to adjust, so that didn't make much different. Diamond made it's deals to be used in other events, and a new table company became firmly established.

Brunswick had been resting on it's laurels WAY too long, and such a simple design change as Diamond making the pockets leather, and flush with the rail, meant that one no longer had to deal with streaks of rubber being left on one's cue shaft. And one could play shots out of/over the pockets with a level cue, leading directly to more accurate play.

It took a few years, and the help of realkingcobra, but the flaw in the Red Labels was identified as an incorrect downangle on the rails, and this was fixed. Pros actually LOVE the way the modern Diamonds play, as they make banks possible that will not go on Gold Crowns. You can use much more finesse in slow rolling certain safeties in both 9 ball and One Pocket.

I came up playing in the Northwest, around Seattle/Tacoma, and the number of weird table setups was pretty significant. Adjusting to different table conditions is part of the game, and it is a skill that can be developed. If people are whining about how Diamonds play, then this is a skill issue. If pros can run 5-6-7 packs on them.. And someone like ME can put down a 4 pack on them... They play just fine. Git gud.
 
IMO, the blue label Diamonds play pretty good -- the newer blue oval label Diamonds not as good.

Totally admit that is from limited exposure between my home room, Railyard Billiards, and the DCC.

Lou Figueroa
They do play good.. Just different than what most of the older hardcore crowd in America are used to.

I came up in Seattle/Tacoma, playing on wet, slow bed cloth, springy rail (because of the constant high humidity of Puget Sound) Gold Crowns. This led to a very specific style of play to be required, where making a ball on the break was tough, and you really needed to hit the break, which resulted in more random table layouts, and the 1 ending up on the end rail at the breaking end. Leads to a ton of first inning after the break safes.

To ME... Diamonds have opened up a whole new way of playing the game, requiring a different set of skills, especially with new rules. You damn well better work on your 9 on the spot break if you wanna beat anybody, and get used to making a tough first shot after the break. Diamonds require MUCH more control of your stroke, and taking longer shots in general, which requires a GOOD stroke.

Given how little effort a lot of American players put into their mechanics.. I can see why they don't like Diamonds. Well, these players just need to work on their game more.
 
Not that surprising. Diamond started sponsoring the DCC at the Executive West, and it was a shot in the arm for the American pool scene which was seeing less and less major events. The better players/pros knew the Red Label Diamonds played wonky, but there was SO much action in those days with lesser players, that after a year or two, it became very much worth it to have a Diamond to practice on before the event, because there was a LOT of money to be made, both in the myriad of events being held during DCC, and the side action. The best players quickly figured out how to adjust, so that didn't make much different. Diamond made it's deals to be used in other events, and a new table company became firmly established.

Brunswick had been resting on it's laurels WAY too long, and such a simple design change as Diamond making the pockets leather, and flush with the rail, meant that one no longer had to deal with streaks of rubber being left on one's cue shaft. And one could play shots out of/over the pockets with a level cue, leading directly to more accurate play.

It took a few years, and the help of realkingcobra, but the flaw in the Red Labels was identified as an incorrect downangle on the rails, and this was fixed. Pros actually LOVE the way the modern Diamonds play, as they make banks possible that will not go on Gold Crowns. You can use much more finesse in slow rolling certain safeties in both 9 ball and One Pocket.

I came up playing in the Northwest, around Seattle/Tacoma, and the number of weird table setups was pretty significant. Adjusting to different table conditions is part of the game, and it is a skill that can be developed. If people are whining about how Diamonds play, then this is a skill issue. If pros can run 5-6-7 packs on them.. And someone like ME can put down a 4 pack on them... They play just fine. Git gud.

Well, there were slate support issues too with the early Diamonds.

I remember talking to one guy at the EW who claimed he helped design the table and he admitted they didn't put in enough support for the one-piece slate. Shoot, at my pool hall, Greg even stopped in once and installed support bolts to shore up the slate at the ends where they were bowing up.

Don't get me wrong. I think Diamonds are great tables and a definite improvement over GCs but they are not perfect, IMO.

Lou Figueroa
 
They do play good.. Just different than what most of the older hardcore crowd in America are used to.

I came up in Seattle/Tacoma, playing on wet, slow bed cloth, springy rail (because of the constant high humidity of Puget Sound) Gold Crowns. This led to a very specific style of play to be required, where making a ball on the break was tough, and you really needed to hit the break, which resulted in more random table layouts, and the 1 ending up on the end rail at the breaking end. Leads to a ton of first inning after the break safes.

To ME... Diamonds have opened up a whole new way of playing the game, requiring a different set of skills, especially with new rules. You damn well better work on your 9 on the spot break if you wanna beat anybody, and get used to making a tough first shot after the break. Diamonds require MUCH more control of your stroke, and taking longer shots in general, which requires a GOOD stroke.

Given how little effort a lot of American players put into their mechanics.. I can see why they don't like Diamonds. Well, these players just need to work on their game more.

Most guys do mot have access to tight blue oval label Diamonds.

Most are playing on older model Diamonds (if they’re lucky) or GCs, or something else. It’s just that simple and has nothing to do with being American or not liking them, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 
I stopped going in 2017, when I was 39.

The mgmt sucks. The tables bounce horribly. There is no food to eat. The venue is depressing. There are too many entrants. The brackets suck even when at the venue as a participant to see when you play.

I couldn’t fade all that anymore.
The food was 10% better than the last few years. It’s still a disaster or $200.
 
Most guys do mot have access to tight blue oval label Diamonds.

Most are playing on older model Diamonds (if they’re lucky) or GCs, or something else. It’s just that simple and has nothing to do with being American or not liking them, lol.

Lou Figueroa

According to Cobra a couple years ago on here, there is no difference between the current oval blue label, and the older, more intricate blue label logo, other than the logo itself. The factory just switched to the oval because it was easier to manufacture.

No rail/cushion/or any other differences.
 
Diamond cushions still play like shit.

When they were red, everyone loved them, said they were the second coming of jesus on here. Then when they switched to blue, all those same people now said the red sucked.

I'll tell you what, if the Diamond table ever switched to cushions like a GC, all those same people would then say "the blues sucked, we were wrong", just like they did with the red to blue change.
 
Diamond cushions still play like shit.

When they were red, everyone loved them, said they were the second coming of jesus on here. Then when they switched to blue, all those same people now said the red sucked.

I'll tell you what, if the Diamond table ever switched to cushions like a GC, all those same people would then say "the blues sucked, we were wrong", just like they did with the red to blue change.
Ummmm... I'd like links to threads where "everyone" loved red labels. Bruh.... You are letting your hatred of Diamonds cloud your memory here, I think. There are any number of threads where people mentioned how short red labels banked. As in.. Not a LITTLE short. But whole Diamonds short.
 
Ummmm... I'd like links to threads where "everyone" loved red labels. Bruh.... You are letting your hatred of Diamonds cloud your memory here, I think. There are any number of threads where people mentioned how short red labels banked. As in.. Not a LITTLE short. But whole Diamonds short.
Then how did Diamond take over pool, to include:

1) pro pool
2) serious amateur homebuyers (like us on AZB)
3) commercial rooms

all

----DURING----

the Red phase?
 
And I don't hate Diamond at all. I just hate their cushions! (and a bit less their shelf) I wish they would change them, then I'd climb the highest mountain and scream for everyone to buy Diamond.
 
According to Cobra a couple years ago on here, there is no difference between the current oval blue label, and the older, more intricate blue label logo, other than the logo itself. The factory just switched to the oval because it was easier to manufacture.

No rail/cushion/or any other differences.

Playing on one then going to the other, for several years… that is horseshit.

They play quite differently as any player of some experience can tell.

Lou Figueroa
mechanics who can’t play
maybe not so much
 
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