Help with thoughts about Unknown pool cue?

hang-the-9 said:
That looks like a hand-made, or at least better production, wood case, not one of the cheap cardboard or plywood things. Yes there may be someone that stuck a good cue in one of those cheap cases, but it's a lot more likely when looking at the overall clues that it is a cheap cue vs a good cue in a cheap case.
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As I'm sure you know, not all plywood is cheap or low quality.

I made a box joined folio case for a graphic design student/friend years ago out of 1/4" Baltic Birch plywood, at least 5 cores. He wanted the edges shown for the pattern. He said that he had offered to buy it during three of his interviews.
 
hang-the-9 said:
That looks like a hand-made, or at least better production, wood case, not one of the cheap cardboard or plywood things. Yes there may be someone that stuck a good cue in one of those cheap cases, but it's a lot more likely when looking at the overall clues that it is a cheap cue vs a good cue in a cheap case.
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The discussion at the time was whether that wrap was original. And who the heck would do that to a Joss? LOL!

It's funny, the odd things you run into hunting cues.

I'm seeing a lot of cues listed now, like Joss, with CF shafts...and no original shaft. Where's the original shaft?

But the random fuzzy picture used cues from sellers that have no idea what they have seem to produce the most entertainment.
 
way back shafts were cheap. we broke them regularly when mad. no big deal.

ten or so bucks for one, basically a game of nine ball or one pocket in those days.
 
Chopdoc said:
The discussion at the time was whether that wrap was original. And who the heck would do that to a Joss? LOL!

It's funny, the odd things you run into hunting cues.

I'm seeing a lot of cues listed now, like Joss, with CF shafts...and no original shaft. Where's the original shaft?

But the random fuzzy picture used cues from sellers that have no idea what they have seem to produce the most entertainment.
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Sad.

Original butts but somehow they decided to chuck the shaft and put a CF on it. These cues need to be rescued.
 
maha said:
way back shafts were cheap. we broke them regularly when mad. no big deal.

ten or so bucks for one, basically a game of nine ball or one pocket in those days.
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Way back when?

In 1983 a Joss shaft was $50. That's about $164 today. A new plain maple shaft today direct from Joss is $205, but aftermarket resellers are typically asking $175, pretty darn close to what it was more than 40 years ago.

Of course, you could get cheaper shafts then, just as you can today. But, ten bucks? When are you talking about?

An extra shaft from Gandy about 1970 and 73 was $13.50, which is about $115 today.

We can go back farther, of course.

Where and when were there $10 shafts? What year or era are you talking about? 1970? 10 bucks wasn't pocket change in 1970, it was over $100 today, not "cheap".

Not picking on what you said, honestly curious.

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Chopdoc said:
Way back when?

In 1983 a Joss shaft was $50. That's about $164 today. A new plain maple shaft today direct from Joss is $205, but aftermarket resellers are typically asking $175, pretty darn close to what it was more than 40 years ago.

Of course, you could get cheaper shafts then, just as you can today. But, ten bucks? When are you talking about?

An extra shaft from Gandy about 1970 and 73 was $13.50, which is about $115 today.

We can go back farther, of course.

Where and when were there $10 shafts? What year or era are you talking about? 1970? 10 bucks wasn't pocket change in 1970, it was over $100 today, not "cheap".

Not picking on what you said, honestly curious.

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Read that guy's stuff for the humor, not the accuracy or truth.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
I am wondering if anyone here can give me any thoughts about this unknown cue?

These are the only pics I have of the cue, and I do not know if it has any identifying marks on it.

The butt sleeve reminds me of the Mcdermott D-26 design. I know this is not a Mcdermott though, but that was my 1st thought when I seen the butt sleeve inlays.

Thanks for any thoughts / opinions about the cue, just based on these pics.
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Chinese McDermott knockoff. The woods are full of these.
 
paradice and palmer in the late 60's were 10 bucks for a shaft.

of course its way more in todays dollars. but we also played regularly like every day 10 bucks or more a game.
so ten bucks was cheap. maybe not for some guy that doesnt gamble but for a gambler like so many in the pool room then it was just a bet.
now its hard to find someone willing to bet on anything in the pool room..
 
Chopdoc said:
Way back when?

In 1983 a Joss shaft was $50. That's about $164 today. A new plain maple shaft today direct from Joss is $205, but aftermarket resellers are typically asking $175, pretty darn close to what it was more than 40 years ago.

Of course, you could get cheaper shafts then, just as you can today. But, ten bucks? When are you talking about?

An extra shaft from Gandy about 1970 and 73 was $13.50, which is about $115 today.

We can go back farther, of course.

Where and when were there $10 shafts? What year or era are you talking about? 1970? 10 bucks wasn't pocket change in 1970, it was over $100 today, not "cheap".

Not picking on what you said, honestly curious.

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Excellent post.

Man got the price list too.
 
Chopdoc said:
Garbage? Depends who you ask. Many would say it is.

It's an inexpensive pool cue, a fancy-ish one. They do sell on eBay.

Someone would want it. Me? No.

This fits the old running joke we had on the forum like 10 years ago: The $35 pool cue. A member here sent me one. We had fun with it for a short while. Feel free to send it to me. I'll do a review and pictures. ;)

EDIT: Here it is! I found pictures of it! The $35 pool cue!

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maha said:
looks to be the same case as chop docs. so suspect it came from the same cheap maker.

it will certainly hold up a tomato plant.
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Well, I do not think it is a $15 kmart cue, like the one he posted pictures of. The quality is surely not that low. Look at the comparison of the wraps for example. At least the one I asked about has a decent Linen wrap on it. That other one clearly has one of those ultra low quality wraps, that you see on the ultra cheap cues. So, yeah, it might be a cheap cue, but it is not that cheap.
 
hang-the-9 said:
It will work as a cue, maybe $50 of value there, may sell for more to someone who does not know about cues much. You can tell by the cheap case it's in that it is not really a good cue, not a lot of people would put in anything worth much in a $15 cardboard case.
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I have seen Meucci Originals but in those cheap cases, just for protection, during transit. The case that it is in should not factor into the question about the cue.
 
Chopdoc said:
Good eyes. That is the original case with my cue. Same rings on the cue as well it seems.

We could be on to something here...
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You should at the very least see the differences. One has a higher quality wrap, and one has a completely different type of rubber bumper. The one on your cue clearly looks ultra cheap to me. Like a $15 kmart cue, for example. I bet that wrap is not even real Irish linen. And that bumper has kmart cue written all over it. These 2 cues are not of the same quality. I can at least see that much.
 
Chopdoc said:
Way back when?

In 1983 a Joss shaft was $50. That's about $164 today. A new plain maple shaft today direct from Joss is $205, but aftermarket resellers are typically asking $175, pretty darn close to what it was more than 40 years ago.

Of course, you could get cheaper shafts then, just as you can today. But, ten bucks? When are you talking about?

An extra shaft from Gandy about 1970 and 73 was $13.50, which is about $115 today.

We can go back farther, of course.

Where and when were there $10 shafts? What year or era are you talking about? 1970? 10 bucks wasn't pocket change in 1970, it was over $100 today, not "cheap".

Not picking on what you said, honestly curious.

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Off topic, but I would take 1 brand new (or original condition) 1983 Joss shaft over 2 brand new Joss shafts, that Joss builds today. I feel they were far higher quality wood back then. 1983 for example. Those old Joss cues hit amazing. The new ones made today are pretty garbage in comparison.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
You should at the very least see the differences. One has a higher quality wrap, and one has a completely different type of rubber bumper. The one on your cue clearly looks ultra cheap to me. Like a $15 kmart cue, for example. I bet that wrap is not even real Irish linen. And that bumper has kmart cue written all over it. These 2 cues are not of the same quality. I can at least see that much.
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Wanna bet? You're the one here asking...
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Off topic, but I would take 1 brand new (or original condition) 1983 Joss shaft over 2 brand new Joss shafts today. I feel they were far higher quality wood back then. 1983 for example. Those old Joss cues hit amazing. The new ones made today are pretty garbage in comparison.
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Last time I talked to Janes he had wood in reserve for custom orders.

The better maple is harder and harder to get. No doubt.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Yeah, I would bet. I at least know that the cue is better quality then that POS that you posted pictures of.
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LOL!

It's "vintage" and "collectable".

LOL!

Ask around some more. The decals in the butt sleeve window on the cue you posted are cute. Yes, they are decals.
 
Chopdoc said:
LOL!

It's "vintage" and "collectable".

LOL!

Ask around some more. The decals in the butt sleeve window on the cue you posted are cute. Yes, they are decals.
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No way. I refuse to believe it. Decals? Paint or Stickers? I think not. The cue has real points, real veneers, and real inlays, including the woods in the ringwork. And, a real Irish Lenen wrap, unlike whatever they put on the cue you posted a picture of.

It would be really embarrassing to find out that I asked about a Decal cue, but I do not think I did.
 
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vintagecollectibles831 said:
I have seen Meucci knock offs, from China, that had amazing highly figured BEM in the forearm. Believe it or not. And, no Decals. So, I do not believe that just because a cue is a Copy from China always = Garbage Quality.
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I would agree with you. I've seen some very playable cues from China. A lot of them do tend to copy popular designs from outfits such as McDermott and others.
 
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