keilwood for suckers

Kickin' Chicken said:
I'm not surprised that this thread has gone 10 pages so far with no sign of ending soon.

For me, I think there is an industry surrounding pool that is very similar to golf and a few more sports where there is a lot of amateur interest. We all want to golf like Tiger or Arnold or shoot pool like SVB or Fedor. The marketers know this and manufacturers respond with a never ending merry-go-round of new products that promise to improve our games to those high levels we dream of.

The truth is we would all be happy to play like Willie did or The Miz and they achieved what they did using basic gear. No CF or Keilwood was needed nor was any 4th version chalks. Look at how Efren tortured the world with his $15 cue. Good marketers make us feel like our games will become like the elite pros if we buy these new gimmicky products.

I try real hard not to be a "sucker" in all aspects of my life. I know there is nothing that will get my game to SVB level or even A level for that matter. I do, however, play with a kielwood shaft from a local cue-maker for one simple reason. I tried one and really liked the performance and feedback it provided and so I ordered one and am very happy with it. Did it improve my game? I don't think so but it did improve my enjoyment while playing and that was justification for me.
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I agree
And although I know it and I know that non of the equipment I have will make me a better player, might even do the opposite… I still like to try new things and spend some of my hard earned money…

Also, back in those days that you mentioned, a new wooden shaft would go for $10 - $20 and not $250 - $600… so getting a shaft that has longer life span sounds like a good idea to me.
 
skor said:
Here is a combo that I didn't think will work but it does, maybe it's the black butt cup and the black joint ring that balances it just right :cool:

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Here's my Cuetec Avid cue with DZ Keilwood shaft. Still haven't got to shoot with it...yet.
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skor said:
According to this logic, Nike make red shoes because the black shoes are ugly…

Once you move away from wood into synthetic material, you should be able to get any color you like.
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I think a more accurate and appropriate analogy you should be proffering requires you to insert “according to my way of thinking” because garczar’s post seems reasonable, understandable & logical whereas yours seems more based upon I don’t like being proven wrong. I guess Nike thought they had better introduce color versions before the buying public recognized black sneakers look ugly. Is that how you interpret garzar’s post about a carbon fiber shaft being offered with a maple finish?

Well, that’s your interpretation, i.e., logic, but you are badly misconstruing his post. How about maybe black sneakers became boring after awhile. Nike realized there was a much bigger market with colorized versions and designs which created more endorsement opportunities with star athletes inviting them to personalize a line of sneakers using their endorsement thus expanding the market exponentially. Yeah, you’re right. It’s because black sneakers became ugly.

If you got it wrong as badly as you did with your facetious Nike analogy, you might want to proof read, pause and reconsider before you post. Your analogy was not only misplaced but didn’t accurately convey your opinion.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Simple physics. Both the shaft and cue ball deflect . The lighter the end of the shaft, the more it will deflect off the cue ball instead of the cue ball deflecting off it .
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So a thin titanium tube must be very low deflection? It is super light and strong enough to make a shaft out of. There is more to it than just end weight / mass. The amount of flex and where it flexes has a tremendous effect on what happens upon impact. End mass is a rather small part of that equation. But it is an easy one to work with. Learning to aim and stroke well is at least 90% of of the whole damn game. Then nerves, mood etc.. I play virtually the same with any cue. I change almost nothing. I aim, I stroke and I try to keep good smooth form. Cues play and feel different, But I usually find speed is more of a factor than anything to find the sweet spot for any cue. I notice more people play with a much thinner shaft with a longer thinner taper than in the recent past. They certainly do flex a lot more than the old 13mm standard 'Pro Taper' shafts we all loved so much just a few years back.
 
jayman said:
So a thin titanium tube must be very low deflection? It is super light and strong enough to make a shaft out of. There is more to it than just end weight / mass. The amount of flex and where it flexes has a tremendous effect on what happens upon impact. End mass is a rather small part of that equation. But it is an easy one to work with. Learning to aim and stroke well is at least 90% of of the whole damn game. Then nerves, mood etc.. I play virtually the same with any cue. I change almost nothing. I aim, I stroke and I try to keep good smooth form. Cues play and feel different, But I usually find speed is more of a factor than anything to find the sweet spot for any cue. I notice more people play with a much thinner shaft with a longer thinner taper than in the recent past. They certainly do flex a lot more than the old 13mm standard 'Pro Taper' shafts we all loved so much just a few years back.
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Amount of flex has very little to do with deflection if at all.
Predator Z3 proves that.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Amount of flex has very little to do with deflection if at all.
Predator Z3 proves that.
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Okay. My Z shaft is far from stiff. It is stiff for it's small diameter for sure. I bet if you build a thin walled titanium shaft which will have near 0 end mass and almost 0 flex. it would not be 'low deflection' Thoughts?
 
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