keilwood for suckers

There is nothing beautiful about a piece of straight-grain maple either... The difference between that and CF is just the colour, and black is a neutral colour that goes well with everything.
They are ugly. The fact that Triple60/Whyte came out with wood-finish CF shaft is proof of this, a LOT of people find them ugly. Personally i don't give a flying fk, its a tool not a art object.
 
They are ugly. The fact that Triple60/Whyte came out with wood-finish CF shaft is proof of this, a LOT of people find them ugly. Personally i don't give a flying fk, its a tool not a art object.
According to this logic, Nike make red shoes because the black shoes are ugly…

Once you move away from wood into synthetic material, you should be able to get any color you like.
 
Cues are designed with the idea of wooden shafts. I think with carbon fiber becoming very common many cues will be designed to look good with carbon fiber shafts and the apparent mismatch of many cues will go away.

Talking about hit, I very rarely went in a pool hall for twenty years. When I came back to a busy pool hall the sound was ungodly! Almost every hit had the terrible sound of a miscue! I got used to the sound of hard tips but it took awhile.

While I wouldn't choose an ugly cue over a pretty one at the same cost and playability, I am a player not a collector. I have never owned a fancy cue. One reason is I won't own a cue with stone or metal except a metal joint. I like nice cues and JoeyA's POW/MIA cue is maybe the finest I have ever seen but with rare exceptions like Joey's I wouldn't give a few hundred extra for a fancy cue over a plain one. If I went with fancy, it would probably be one of the super fancy butterfly cues. I think butterflies are prettier than points and don't particularly go for inlays.

There is a saying in the car world, if it don't go chrome it! I love brightly polished chrome at a car show but have been known to paint over small
chrome components on my own cars. They were for go, not for show.

I want a four point full splice cue with a wrap almost to the buttcap, even all the way to the buttcap would work. I like a wrap but hate two different feels under my hand so I usually play with a wrapless cue.

Hu
 
I have a torrefied spruce topped Gibson J45 and it sounds amazing. The torrefied wood is meant to mimic what very aged wood sounds like without the centuries long wait.

Enamored with torrefied guitar woods, I bought a kielwood shaft. It was too light for my preferences and I couldn’t really see much benefit in it. But it was interesting to try.
What year is your guitar? I also have a J-45 from about 1965, when did guitar makers start using torrified wood? Definitely a spruce top-

-dj
 
I know this is crazy but try to stick with me.. some people think carbon fiber looks good on any cue.. I being one of them. Everyone likes different things. We aren’t all the same. That’s why. Hope this helps

exactly.
I hit with a lot of southwests. Never understood the big deal about them.

I think black boars are so beautiful and I’ve been very fortunate to hit with many as I have a friend who is a flipper. I wanted so bad to love them but in the end I just hated the way they play.

I had a Timmy Scruggs that was a monster cue. The most beautiful cue I’ve ever owned. 6 point . Ebony and silver all through it. Everything white was ivory. Even had ivory joint protectors with his insignia inscribed on them which I haven’t seen before or since. An absolute show stopper. I had people begging me to sell it to them all the time. It’s the only cue I have a picture up on my wall of. I tried so hard to get used to that cue but in the end I don’t like the soft compression feel that ivory gave and sold it . I never forced myself to love a cue again either I love how it hits or I don’t.

I guess the moral of the story is one man’s magic wand is another man’s old piece of wood lol
Y'all know ima Scruggs freak.
I recall them talking about that cue.
They did one for me that had tiny pieces of 18K gold around the joints. Said they'd never work with it (gold) again. That's when they mentioned your Axe. I've personally not seen that piece of Scruggs magic. Sure would like to see some pics!!!
Please!!
 
It’s part of the reason.
I’ve used the same shaft on various butts and I get different feel and since it’s the same shaft, it’s the same joint type.
So the butt does have an influence and it’s not just weight and balance, it actually influences the softness or hardness of the hit as well
Meucci was a firm believer in that concept, going so far as to create that power piston butt, or whatever it was called. Most cuemakers are, if I'm not mistaken. You heard it all the time in the Scruggs shop. How different wood pairings in the butt always changed the hit.
 
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Cues are designed with the idea of wooden shafts. I think with carbon fiber becoming very common many cues will be designed to look good with carbon fiber shafts and the apparent mismatch of many cues will go away.

Talking about hit, I very rarely went in a pool hall for twenty years. When I came back to a busy pool hall the sound was ungodly! Almost every hit had the terrible sound of a miscue! I got used to the sound of hard tips but it took awhile.

While I wouldn't choose an ugly cue over a pretty one at the same cost and playability, I am a player not a collector. I have never owned a fancy cue. One reason is I won't own a cue with stone or metal except a metal joint. I like nice cues and JoeyA's POW/MIA cue is maybe the finest I have ever seen but with rare exceptions like Joey's I wouldn't give a few hundred extra for a fancy cue over a plain one. If I went with fancy, it would probably be one of the super fancy butterfly cues. I think butterflies are prettier than points and don't particularly go for inlays.

There is a saying in the car world, if it don't go chrome it! I love brightly polished chrome at a car show but have been known to paint over small
chrome components on my own cars. They were for go, not for show.

I want a four point full splice cue with a wrap almost to the buttcap, even all the way to the buttcap would work. I like a wrap but hate two different feels under my hand so I usually play with a wrapless cue.

Hu
A 3 inch mid-cue extension solved that problem for me. Now my hand sits comfortably back there where I like it instead of trying to wrap my fingers around the butt cap.
The places you used to farm weren't the type of establishments you would want to take your fancy custom into anyway.
Got my vote for the classic 4 point full splice. Red white and black inlay into a birdseye forearm. Maybe toss in a few of those small diamonds.😂
Very similar to Bob Freys' #1 cue.
 
There is nothing beautiful about a piece of straight-grain maple either... The difference between that and CF is just the colour, and black is a neutral colour that goes well with everything.
I gotta agree there. I wear a lot of black. Never have to trip on what's going to match it.
 
Y'all know ima Scruggs freak.
I recall them talking about that cue.
They did one for me that had tiny pieces of 18K gold around the joints. Said they'd never work with it (gold) again. That's when they mentioned your Axe. I've personally not seen that piece of Scruggs magic. Sure would like to see some pics!!!
Please!!
I have a collage on my wall. I’ll post a pic when I get back from nationals
 
Here is a combo that I didn't think will work but it does, maybe it's the black butt cup and the black joint ring that balances it just right :cool:

jacoby-cf-web.jpg
 
To you.. I think they look better then wood and much better then Kiel . Are other people allowed to have different opinions in your world?

sure. i'm a bit of a luddite. even my bk3 irks me a little bit with it's sporty design. but people are allowed to have wrong opinions
 
Meucci was a firm believer in that concept, going so far as to create that power butt, or whatever it was called. Most cuemakers are, if I'm not mistaken. You heard it all the time in the Scruggs shop. How different wood pairings in the butt always changed the hit.

The butt has far more effect on feel than most realize. I had one bumper for two cues. I was waiting to have a decent sized order so I was swapping it back and forth. One cue was just a dog so I decided to not bother changing the bumper back and forth. Both cues felt completely different without the bumper. I wanted to put a piece of 6061 T6 aluminum for a sacrificial piece on the bottom of a cue that hit too soft instead of rubber but never got around to the project.

Hu
 
I love all cues.

Some people get a joy of collecting them or who the maker is.

The joy I get from cues is the joy of learning how to play well with different cues. Each cue hits differently so I find it satisfying to master each.
 
I'm not surprised that this thread has gone 10 pages so far with no sign of ending soon.

For me, I think there is an industry surrounding pool that is very similar to golf and a few more sports where there is a lot of amateur interest. We all want to golf like Tiger or Arnold or shoot pool like SVB or Fedor. The marketers know this and manufacturers respond with a never ending merry-go-round of new products that promise to improve our games to those high levels we dream of.

The truth is we would all be happy to play like Willie did or The Miz and they achieved what they did using basic gear. No CF or Keilwood was needed nor was any 4th version chalks. Look at how Efren tortured the world with his $15 cue. Good marketers make us feel like our games will become like the elite pros if we buy these new gimmicky products.

I try real hard not to be a "sucker" in all aspects of my life. I know there is nothing that will get my game to SVB level or even A level for that matter. I do, however, play with a kielwood shaft from a local cue-maker for one simple reason. I tried one and really liked the performance and feedback it provided and so I ordered one and am very happy with it. Did it improve my game? I don't think so but it did improve my enjoyment while playing and that was justification for me.
 
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