Advice On This Shot

Agent 99 said:
Ok, let me upset the apple cart here. I shoot that shot at 80 percent, not only into the side, but corner pockets as well. I know you don't believe me (everyone in this thread) so let's make it a challenge shot. I'll go with anyone who has some gamble for how ever much they want on every shot, you will win some of the shots, but I will have all your money in short order. I'm not bragging because it's true and has been tested many times .. lol .. Now here is the best part, guaranteed to drive all the instructors right out of their minds - Use extreme Inside spin and a very firm stroke - That's the trick, of course you have to have a laser straight stroke and a sharp eye, cut the ball as thin as you possibly can and see what happens.
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First guy to get it right...
With a bunch of inside, you can cut it under 90 degrees towards you
 
Inside or outside can both make razor thin cuts. I do think people are underestimating how thin the cut shot to the side is in DCP's diagram. I'd give a 1975 Efren odds on that, and I don't care what spin he uses.
 
SBC said:
With a bunch of inside, you can cut it under 90 degrees towards you
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I doubt it, especially if you follow Agent 99's advice to "use extreme inside spin and a very firm stroke". With a very firm stroke any swerve is likely eliminated, so you have to make a 90-degree cut with anti-helping spin. Good luck with that.

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It's ok to doubt....been shooting this for years.
Ball is a foot or less out of the hole.

Swerve is part of it.
Mostly squirt.
Patrick Johnson said:
I doubt it, especially if you follow Agent 99's advice to "use extreme inside spin and a very firm stroke". With a very firm stroke any swerve is likely eliminated, so you have to make a 90-degree cut with anti-helping spin. Good luck with that.

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SBC said:
Ball is a foot or less out of the hole.
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For that matter, if you cheat the pocket there's about an 85° cut, so it can be made in this case. I just don't think a true 90° cut (center pocket in this case) can be made with inside unless there's lots of swerve.

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Patrick Johnson said:
For that matter, if you cheat the pocket there's about an 85° cut, so it can be made in this case. I just don't think a true 90° cut (center pocket in this case) can be made with inside unless there's lots of swerve involved.

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85 degrees is about the thinnest I could discern at average shooting distances. Might as well be 90.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
For that matter, if you cheat the pocket there's about an 85° cut, so it can be made in this case. I just don't think a true 90° cut (center pocket in this case) can be made with inside unless there's lots of swerve.

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Bet

Ever see a ball hit the edge of a ball and move quicker?
I'm not a physics major, but I see that plenty of times. I'd bet it lost friction with the cloth and instant and slid.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Not with inside spin - I'm pretty sure you haven't either.

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What makes these games great is there's shot that are counter intuitive.

I'm in the camp or outside and throw, but I can see with a little masse with inside you can hit the backside of the ball.
More complicated IMO for sure. I suspect there's players that could, but would they? Tricky stuff.
 
straightline said:
Couple things about inside; you can aim at the contact point and the deflection can help tune a cut you can't visually resolve.
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Agree but the hit is so thin. Will the OB travel 8inches?
Just asking, I don't play enough pool to be any authority, plus I need to see the shot in real life.
 
3kushn said:
What makes these games great is there's shot that are counter intuitive.

I'm in the camp or outside and throw, but I can see with a little masse with inside you can hit the backside of the ball.
More complicated IMO for sure. I suspect there's players that could, but would they? Tricky stuff.
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Masse doesn't help if you shoot with speed. It can help if you shoot slower with a lot of elevation. I don't think the 'inside" crowd is talking about lots of elevation and I think they are also not talking about shooting slowly. A video of the shot made with inside might clear things up.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The OP asked how to make the cut in the side. He said he put the other balls on the table so people would not suggest some other shot.

To cut the ball into the side he has to play with extreme left and a little below center, pretty much as he guessed.
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Yes, but other replies are also including safety positioning shot option. My play would be with the 1, either cutting it in the corner or playing it safely to the rail with the cue behind the 5.
 
I personally shoot it with inside. It's just easier for me to calibrate my stroke that way. I can make it with outside but with my cue it requires more guess work and aiming into space, etc. Whatever works for you.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The OP asked how to make the cut in the side. He said he put the other balls on the table so people would not suggest some other shot.

To cut the ball into the side he has to play with extreme left and a little below center, pretty much as he guessed.
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Fore Rail said:
For arguments sake take the 5 off the table & put the 8 in the jaws of the bottom right corner.

Playing 8 ball

What are you going to do now?
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What would you do Bob when the game is on the line?

Why would anyone decide to shoot the 1 ball in the side when the corner is an option?
 
Fore Rail said:
What would you do Bob when the game is on the line?

Why would anyone decide to shoot the 1 ball in the side when the corner is an option?
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The OP said he was asking about the very thin cut and not other ways to play the shot.

If you practice the shot, you will get better at it and it will be more useful. You might not get your comfort zone up to 90 degrees, but you can move it past 75. In some situations, you have to shoot hard shots you don't want to shoot because there is no safety play. If you're playing eight ball against SVB and you are on the 8 and he has five balls and the only reasonable shot you have is a very thin cut to the side, it would be suicide to try to play safe. If you have practiced very thin cuts, you will have a better chance to beat SVB is that shot comes up.

The 90-degree cut is most useful as a proposition shot. See the offer above by @Agent 99 -- someone has a chance to make some money from the shot.

I practice thin cuts frequently and I play them in games.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Because the OP's question isn't "Would you choose this shot?" - it's "How would you shoot this shot if you had no choice?"

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Let me give you a refresher of what the original post says,

https://pad.chalkysticks.com/585fa.png

I seem to be running across this shot a lot lately. It's an extremely thin, almost backwards, shot into the side pocket. For arguments sake I put the 5B and 8B in the way so nobody could say to play it in the bottom right corner.

How do you make this shot? Extreme left english and try and thin it into the side pocket?

r/DCP
 
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