wacokid9ball
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Get the APA to agree to it and you might have some luck. I personally don't think it will ever happen.
Why Pool Leagues Should Embrace “ALL BALL FOULS”
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The point is, the rules of the game have never stopped someone from playing the game.That’s not even close to being what this isagain I speak from a place of experience with this rule from 30 years ago. theres a reason they changed the rules to you can move the ball back.
People try to make the same argument in golf with respect to playing the ball as it lies.
If you tell new players the rules, they'll play by the rules.
InsertCleverNameHere
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Don’t think this is coming across how you’re intending it, unless of course that intention is to be a pompous douchebag in that case you’re nailing it!
Harsh but
I understand your rationale, but in a dark bar with players under the influence of alcohol, there would be endless arguments about whether a ball was moved. I get the complexities you brought up with only cue ball fouls, but in the 20 years of league I’ve played in, those have rarely happened- it is simpler when only one ball (cue ball) is in question
Mostly get in line king of the table. I stayed away from leagues. The format was entirely commercial and a waste of time for me. If I was in a bar, I was there to get some pool in. The one thing the leagues accomplished was showing the crowd a logical ruleset - its own can of worms but better than "house rules". Anyway, having a protocol for determining stalemate would be useful to quote in those unsanctioned situations.
WPA rules already do.....
I just got a private message from someone too embarrassed to specifically ask their question:
Where exactly do you play? He/she wanted the address, day, and exact time your league plays. They also wondered if there was ample spectator seating.
Not sure why they are so embarrassed. Just trying to help.
Then same question - Is interference with the layout grounds for a stalemate and re break?
Interference, intentional or not?
They both are treated differently.
Layout, with a wedge of balls and neither player willing to do more than just bump em because the 8 ball is trapped/stalemate.
Rerack after 3 wedgies per player.
Or if they both agree then rerack/rebreak original breaker of that rack.
They both are treated differently.
Layout, with a wedge of balls and neither player willing to do more than just bump em because the 8 ball is trapped/stalemate.
Rerack after 3 wedgies per player.
Or if they both agree then rerack/rebreak original breaker of that rack.
More specifically, player is down on complex shot and an unconcerned patron walks into stick, irretrievably destroying the situation. What then? Say there is a ref presiding - say he was even paying attention and has the world class background and he wants to reset the situation. WTF?
Games have rules. No?
The rules don't exist to punish or reward.
They don't exist to help or to hinder.
They simply exist to tell us how to play the game.
They're written to ensure that when different players encounter the same situation, they're able to respond in the same way...
I gotta say there are those technical intellects throughout the leagues and being accosted that way is a major annoyance. Thankfully no leagues currently. No need to schedule around, ignore, or otherwise avoid.
You seem fond of the straw man debate technique..,
That’s a good way to describe the rules mavens that bother me. I typically call them rules mavens or rules nits. They get away from their duties on the HOA by playing league and sometimes are correct on a rule.
Dr. Dave,
I learned about pool in 1961 and endeavored to put object balls in the designated pocket on 9’ and 10’ tables.
I never saw any 7’ pool tables in the pool halls in NYC but you could find 7’ tables in bars with quarter slots or
maybe in a youth center. So I learned about pool basically in the pool halls in Bklyn, Manhattan and Bronx.
Nobody went to Staten Island back then and the only way to get there was by Ferry. The last burrough, Queens, was basically industrial enterprises back at that time, despite having apartment complexes like LeFrak City. I used to play pool at George Balabushka’s room in Bay Ridge and Ovington Billiards, aka Hall of Fame Billiards later on and Ames in Times Square. I never saw anyone play a game of pool where it wasn’t a foul if you inadvertently touched a ball, except the cue ball during a stroke.
No one was calling a foul because you leaned across the table to reach the cue ball and your neck tie was hanging and barely brushed another OB under your chest completely unknown to you. Nope, that was chicken shit. I don’t know if the rules at that time even covered it. What I know is if you touched any ball during a game, aside from racking, you committed a foul & your opponent could take the table as is or ball in hand in the kitchen for 8, 9 ball, 1 pocket, rotation or 14.1. All my life I have subscribed to the belief that’s how pool should be played and the popularity of 7’ tables & ball in hand fouls seems like changing the height of a basketball hoop to be lowered but still qualify for professional sports. It makes pool more enjoyable for recreational play but gosh, a lot easier. So I welcome the change but BIH still remains. If we want pool games to be faster and with more runouts, then BIH is necessary for broadcasting & tournaments too.
Now just like MLB needs ABS (automatic balls & strikes) due to miserable umpiring the last few years, the introduction
of a pitcher and batter time clocks has been a great thing. WPA should adopt it & so should local leagues. It is absurd how much time a player can take evaluating how to play their shot. And then after taking an agonizingly long time, well over a minute, then the player calls a time out. And that always takes more than a minute because you have to summon someone to coach the player on what to do. It is absolutely a tediously slow process so time clocks are also needed for leagues…..45 seconds……for the player or a time out……seems more than adequate. I’m likely in the minority on this change and with league players, I don’t think they’ll be embracing WPA’s new any ball touch foul rule.
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SSDiver2112
Escott Cues
I’ve been in a league for about five years that has all ball fouls. There are less disputes and drama than you think. Sure occasionally there may be a dispute, but it is usually resolved without much of a problem. If it is a stalemate they just re-rack. Only saw that happen once.
A shirt touching isn’t a foul. Moving it with a shirt is. Hard to do and rare.
Worrying about boobs moving a ball is no different then a guys fat belly so equally still stands.
Again outliers are possible but rare, but moving the ball with a hand or stick is common and what this rule is for. I played APA and TAP before and I found it more irritating to play someone and watch the carelessly bump and move balls while making a shot. No penalty or consequences to get an easier shot. Balls get moved with a silly whoops. If you can’t make the shot without disturbing the table don’t take the shot or try and accept the foul if you fail.
A shirt touching isn’t a foul. Moving it with a shirt is. Hard to do and rare.
Worrying about boobs moving a ball is no different then a guys fat belly so equally still stands.
Again outliers are possible but rare, but moving the ball with a hand or stick is common and what this rule is for. I played APA and TAP before and I found it more irritating to play someone and watch the carelessly bump and move balls while making a shot. No penalty or consequences to get an easier shot. Balls get moved with a silly whoops. If you can’t make the shot without disturbing the table don’t take the shot or try and accept the foul if you fail.
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rerack, it's usually impossible to re-place 3 or more balls back to where there were.
Nice diarrhea of the mouth.
I hope ''this is not coming across as how you’re intending it ICNH, unless of course that intention is for YOU to be a pompous douchebag''.
Ironically.... I think we all Know NOW what your inserted clever name really is.
D.Bag