Any videos of Dr Dave in an actual match?

...my focus is more on instruction rather than on developing playing excellence.
I have no doubt that you could be a top player if you devoted your life to it like all top players do. But then we wouldn't reap the rewards that we do for your choice (thanks again). In fact, I'm sure there are plenty of top players who know of your stuff and are better for it - I know I am (except for the "top" part).

It's true that ability trumps knowledge for winning, but ability comes quicker and goes farther with knowledge.

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Do you think any player would improve that much without knowing at least some of what an instructor teaches?

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P.S. I met and played with Dave several years ago in Colorado. He can play - and he knows (and can teach) his stuff.
any player that got to Shane’s speed, which might be 10 total in the history of the sport, will be able to run circles around the knowledge of any instructor. The physics knowledge, no, of course not. The things needed to actually play, yes. This is not a knock on instructors. It’s just reality.
 
I have no doubt that you could be a top player if you devoted your life to it like all top players do. But then we wouldn't reap the rewards that we do for your choice (thanks again). In fact, I'm sure there are plenty of top players who know of your stuff and are better for it - I know I am (except for the "top" part).

It's true that ability trumps knowledge for winning, but ability comes quicker and goes farther with knowledge.

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chgo
Stop it. No 650, assuming that Dave is that, will ever be a pro speed player. You know better.

By that logic, all of the members here who devoted 10 years of their lives during teen and early 20’s years would all be pro level.

Players reach their potential quite quickly, and then plateau the rest of their careers.

That’s why Tyler will never be a Shane. Why Pia will never be a Siming. Why the local 600 will never be a 700 open speed player. Etc.
 
any player that got to Shane’s speed, which might be 10 total in the history of the sport, will be able to run circles around the knowledge of any instructor. The physics knowledge, no, of course not. The things needed to actually play, yes. This is not a knock on instructors. It’s just reality.

I suppose Filler must be imagining the help he received from Michael Wahl over the years. And Hoppe too with Daly.
 
I suppose Filler must be imagining the help he received from Michael Wahl over the years. And Hoppe too with Daly.
That wasn’t the question I was answering. The question was does a top pro of Shane’s speed have more knowledge than a top instructor.
 
Yes, they all were. When they were about 15 years old. Not when they were 25 and had plateaued.

Edit: or in Dave’s case when he took up pool seriously well into adulthood.
Right - he didn't devote his life to it, so we don't know how well he'd play if he had. And that doesn't diminish the value of his information, even to top pros.

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Right - he didn't devote his life to it, so we don't know how well he'd play if he had. And that doesn't diminish the value of his information, even to top pros.

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People don't jump class in life. From how good looking they are, to how smart they are, to how strong they are, to how well they play sport xyz. Carry on;)

A dr has a height chart for kids and knows how tall they will become as adults.
In first grade, we know who the smart kids are and who the dumb kids are, and it doesn't change in middle school, high school, or college.
In first grade we know which kids will be fat and which will be skinny.
In first grade we knew which kids will be mean and which will be nice.
In first grade we know which kids play the best sports at recess, and which can't catch the ball.

All these traits/abilities/genetics/desire/whatever you want to call them, stick around for life. Maybe a very small percentage of exceptions.
 
I don't care if he has a fargo, any world titles or has ever been to an actual pool tourney. He provides a nice mix of pool videos and I don't recall watching anyone else's pool videos that remotely comes close to the wide range of content he provides. I don't agree with some of the things he says but clicks = $$$ which is what this thread is delivering so I doubt he cares. He's a CONTENT CREATOR which means he's after clicks, not armchair champion's approval!!
Content creator is an excellent label for Dr Dave. (y)
 
That wasn’t the question I was answering. The question was does a top pro of Shane’s speed have more knowledge than a top instructor.
The great players know far far more about the game than they can ever convey to a pupil regardless of whether they are natural teachers or not. Their brains are different and that's a large part of why they accomplish(ed) what they do/have in the game.

But the tidbits and anecdotal comments of their knowledge are often far more valuable than long drawn out explanations from lesser thans.
 
People don't jump class in life. From how good looking they are, to how smart they are, to how strong they are, to how well they play sport xyz. Carry on;)

A dr has a height chart for kids and knows how tall they will become as adults.
In first grade, we know who the smart kids are and who the dumb kids are, and it doesn't change in middle school, high school, or college.
In first grade we know which kids will be fat and which will be skinny.
In first grade we knew which kids will be mean and which will be nice.
In first grade we know which kids play the best sports at recess, and which can't catch the ball.

All these traits/abilities/genetics/desire/whatever you want to call them, stick around for life. Maybe a very small percentage of exceptions.
Well then why did you used to be rich?
 
Stop it. No 650, assuming that Dave is that, will ever be a pro speed player. You know better.

By that logic, all of the members here who devoted 10 years of their lives during teen and early 20’s years would all be pro level.

Players reach their potential quite quickly, and then plateau the rest of their careers.

That’s why Tyler will never be a Shane. Why Pia will never be a Siming. Why the local 600 will never be a 700 open speed player. Etc.

i agree in general but pia is perhaps a bad example. it's really rare to improve as much as she has as an adult. she may not reach the heights of siming, but i also don't think she has plateaued. before 24 y.o. she had won nothing internationally, in the last 3 years she has won three eurotours and half a dozen european championship titles
 
People don't jump class in life. From how good looking they are, to how smart they are, to how strong they are, to how well they play sport xyz. Carry on;)

A dr has a height chart for kids and knows how tall they will become as adults.
In first grade, we know who the smart kids are and who the dumb kids are, and it doesn't change in middle school, high school, or college.
In first grade we know which kids will be fat and which will be skinny.
In first grade we knew which kids will be mean and which will be nice.
In first grade we know which kids play the best sports at recess, and which can't catch the ball.

All these traits/abilities/genetics/desire/whatever you want to call them, stick around for life. Maybe a very small percentage of exceptions.
You are comparing pool ability with height, which is miles more about genetics. Sure, 99.9% will never be 750+ even if they spend their whole life practicing properly, but below the pro level, almost anyone can improve a lot. Just a matter of how much effort it takes, thats what talent and physical experience from other sports will greatly speed up.

Think of it more like bodybuilding, the average joe can get massive change, even if it's a slow process and they will eventually plateau. But 99% dont ever reach close to their true ceiling, most will settle for mediocrity by never properly putting in the time or effort. Then it's just an easy explanation to sell to themselves that they weren't talented, when the true culprit is the choices they made in their life, in this case, amount and quality of practice among other things.
 
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You are comparing pool ability with height, which is miles more about genetics. Sure, 99.9% will never be 750+ even if they spend their whole life practicing properly, but below the pro level, almost anyone can improve a lot. Just a matter of how much effort it takes, thats what talent and physical experience from other sports will greatly speed up.

Think of it more like bodybuilding, the average joe can get massive change, even if it's a slow process and they will eventually plateau. But 99% dont ever reach close to their true ceiling, most will settle for mediocrity by never properly putting in the time or effort. Then it's just an easy explanation to sell to themselves that they weren't talented, when the true culprit is the choices they made in their life, in this case, amount and quality of practice among other things.
There are a ton of players at 450 trying to get to 500. 500 trying to get to 550. And so on. It doesn’t happen. I’m talking about mature players that have saught help and take the game seriously. Not teenagers or brand new adult players.

Players don’t jump class. It’s a complete rarity if it does happen.

The truth hurts.
 
I don’t think you have to be a great player to be an instructor, but I would like to take instruction from someone who can execute what they’re teaching. You know someone who’s around a 600 Fargo. I mean the guy that I take instruction from from time to time is a good player, but I’m a better player than he is. He definitely knows more about fundamentals and correcting stance errors than I do. And he’s probably the reason I can beat him now lol.
 
The pecking order at the local hall never changes. Except when someone is coming up, or when someone gets old. Every player here knows this, we all see it with our own eyes.

The reason is genetics gave each of us a max.

The truth is people are born better or worse than each other. Everyone is not equal at birth.
 
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