Any videos of Dr Dave in an actual match?

I'll give you guys a good example. Forty. He's a good buddy of mine, I've played him since the 90's. A through and through pool player, well before his brother got famous. He's a good player from Philly. Once his brother got famous acting, they had millions. He quit everything and focused on pool. Got professional instruction from Robin out west. He'd fly there every so often for another lesson. He's made pool his life the past 10 years. He even went to the middle east and played the MR events there.

With all that, he's about the same speed he was 20 years ago.

You cannot help some guys.

There's a guy at my PR that practices everyday pounding balls into the rubber for hours. Several times, when no one else is around, I have approached him and told him of two egregious things he's doing that would permanently prevent him from improving. I have shown him what he's doing wrong, its effects, demonstrated proper technique, and even snuck up behind him to record video so he can see what he's doing wrong. I have tried helping him several times and now I just leave him be.

You cannot help some guys.

Lou Figueroa
 
Many lack the progress gene or hormone. It's not present because their plan is no plan. Takes a fair bit of malice aforethought to identify the next steps and corrections and even more determination to stay with the process until you've made tangible gains. And then you gotta swallow the fact that you only went forward a bit instead of the usual nowhere.
 
I can envision an instructors tournament. Call it the Briesath Cup. Invitations only.

Dr. Dave, Fran, Billiards about and Ron the Pool Student vs. Sharivari, Barry Stark, Barton Snooker and the Pool School guy. 😄 Bob can officiate. Open for suggestions.

Kidding of course, but this idea isn’t totally ridiculous I suppose.

I do not think this is as crazy as is sounds. A while back, the refs and the players exchanged places in a fun little exhibition/tournament and everyone loved it.

As for Dr Dave, I don't think I've ever heard him call himself a tournament pool player. Obviously he more than likely can hold his own but even he would tell you that he knows his lane and it's where he has made his career.
 
Yes, there is a minimum level of comprehension of the game beneath which one should not teach. Yes, I have occasionally run into a certified instructor whose entire pool knowledge could be written down on the back of a postage stamp but let us focus on the many who speak the language of pool fluently.

If you believe that anyone who can beat Dr Dave in a pool match would be likely to be a better teacher than he, you are badly mistaken. Similarly, I'm sure there are those that cannot beat him but are better instructors.

I know that many on AZB think otherwise, but when shooting skills correlate with instructional skills it is, more often than not, a coincidence.
 
You just need to look at other sports. All of the best coaches are not people who set their sport alight. Tennis has had a few top level ex pros but generally it’s not the case that you can coach because you can play well. Often the best players, just know what to do but dont realise why or what they are doing
Yes the top players can coach well on which shot to make , what pattern to use but they will be less useful analysing stroke issues, psr etc and seeing what might be wrong with fundamentals
 
You just need to look at other sports. All of the best coaches are not people who set their sport alight. Tennis has had a few top level ex pros but generally it’s not the case that you can coach because you can play well. Often the best players, just know what to do but dont realise why or what they are doing
Yes the top players can coach well on which shot to make , what pattern to use but they will be less useful analysing stroke issues, psr etc and seeing what might be wrong with fundamentals
Having said that. Dr Dave would kick mine and most other peoples butts on here 😄
 
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Yes, there is a minimum level of comprehension of the game beneath which one should not teach. Yes, I have occasionally run into a certified instructor whose entire pool knowledge could be written down on the back of a postage stamp but let us focus on the many who speak the language of pool fluently.

If you believe that anyone who can beat Dr Dave in a pool match would be likely to be a better teacher than he, you are badly mistaken. Similarly, I'm sure there are those that cannot beat him but are better instructors.

I know that many on AZB think otherwise, but when shooting skills correlate with instructional skills it is, more often than not, a coincidence.
Dr Dave was a professional educator, which is a developed skill set in itself. Even though I am smart and understand a lot about the game and proficient in my field, I do not have the articulation that Dr Dave has in explaining concepts so clearly. My writing is a bit too stiff most of the time and my spoken explanations are even worse unless I spend time thinking about what I want to say. There were a few people I’ve come across in my career whom are excellent technical communicators and I’ve always envied them for it. Come to think of it most of them were professors or had professor parents.
 
Dr Dave was a professional educator, which is a developed skill set in itself. Even though I am smart and understand a lot about the game and proficient in my field, I do not have the articulation that Dr Dave has in explaining concepts so clearly. My writing is a bit too stiff most of the time and my spoken explanations are even worse unless I spend time thinking about what I want to say. There were a few people I’ve come across in my career whom are excellent technical communicators and I’ve always envied them for it. Come to think of it most of them were professors or had professor parents.
Nice post. Well said.
 
Dr Dave was a professional educator, which is a developed skill set in itself. Even though I am smart and understand a lot about the game and proficient in my field, I do not have the articulation that Dr Dave has in explaining concepts so clearly. My writing is a bit too stiff most of the time and my spoken explanations are even worse unless I spend time thinking about what I want to say. There were a few people I’ve come across in my career whom are excellent technical communicators and I’ve always envied them for it. Come to think of it most of them were professors or had professor parents.
Another important teaching skill is learning to "read" the student and communicate in ways that will be readily understood. I learned about this skill when I discovered during my short teaching adventure (beginning pool) that I don't have enough of it.

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I can envision an instructors tournament. Call it the Briesath Cup. Invitations only.

Dr. Dave, Fran, Billiards about and Ron the Pool Student vs. Sharivari, Barry Stark, Barton Snooker and the Pool School guy. 😄 Bob can officiate. Open for suggestions.

Kidding of course, but this idea isn’t totally ridiculous I suppose.
Sharivari (Andre Schickling) plays DCC.
 
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Over the years -- going back to Mosconi -- I have seen professional players spout all kinds of nonsense about how to play pool and what's going on when you hit a CB with a cue tip to hit an OB.

And that's why you need a Bob Jewett and a Dr. Dave.

Going back decades, Bob has given us countless *facts* about the physics and science of pool balls, online and in his BD articles. And, more recently, Dr. Dave has built an invaluable video resource that players, and aspiring players, can use to shave *years* off their learning curve. It's only the old dogs who remember the days when pool amounted to a dark art and having to learn through trial and error; the few tidbits a higher level player might share; and a few modest paperback books that had been published. IMO, there is not one single player on this board who has not learned something from these two gentlemen, or could learn something of value, to improve their game.

Not a one.

Lou Figueroa
Good point. I like the quote (paraphrased) from Luther Lassiter. "I don't teach. I don't know what I'm doing."
 
Most of those 450s not reaching 500 is due to the amount/quality of practice not being high enough, not that they are at their "genetic skill ceiling". I can see the maturing argument for 60+ or especially 70+ year olds in that it gets exponentially harder to jump class in pool past a certain age, but even then, the level they reached isn't mostly about genetics to begin with, it was how much practice and table time they put in throughout their life.

For younger adults, lets say roughly 20-60 year olds with average health, average physique and average "pool talent", the true skill ceiling depends on whether you are speaking practically (within the constraints of their life) or theoretically (giving up everything for pool + being rich). Most adults have jobs and families to support, so them putting in 40+ hour practice time per week isn't realistic. Most people also aren't lucky or rich enough to be able to afford or otherwise locate world-class coaching. So these two factors already make 99% of peoples practice suboptimal.

In the case of a typical 30-50 year old 500 or 600 rated player, who has played for 10-20 years, practices 0-10 hours a week and has not done major technical changes in their game for years, it is hard, but definitely possible to jump 50, or even 100 fargo points within 2-5 years. But most people don't have the amount of time for what that takes. And even more importantly, most people don't practice well enough for that to happen. Quality of practice, including making technical changes as needed, is the simple most important thing, which greatly benefits from coaching. So, I wouldn't call talent the deciding factor for most people, but rather the time and quality of practice they happen to get in.

If we compare two players who both practiced roughly the same time over their life, started at the same age, had same quality of practice, but the other ended up at 500 and the other at 700 given their course of life, then talent is an appropriate word. But saying 500s who have already played for years are stuck at 500 for life due to their lack of talent isn't accurate. Sure, there are exceptions, medical conditions can severely handicap your game, but not a single average-health, average-brain 50 year old is hard capped at 500 due to their lack of talent. It just becomes more and more difficult the older you are, especially considering practical limitations of time and quality.

A common example of a 650-700 is someone who started in their early teenage years or even younger, possibly parents owning a pool hall or a bar, put in a lot of practice time in their teenage years and/or early adulthood playing with other 650-700s. Then when they are 30-40, and playing at 650-700 speed, a 600 who started at 20 yo with average practice routines will look at their game and think the 650-700 is so talented. But it is very possible that the 600 would also be a 650-700 had they started at the same age with the same practice throughout their life.

Again, I agree with your arguments for reaching 750+, or 700+ for those who didn't start young. But below that it's much more about practice time/quality.
All good points. I'm in that 70+ category, but I play better now than I ever have. Why? After retirement I bought a table and now pIay and practice a lot more than I ever could before.
 
You cannot help some guys.

There's a guy at my PR that practices everyday pounding balls into the rubber for hours. Several times, when no one else is around, I have approached him and told him of two egregious things he's doing that would permanently prevent him from improving. I have shown him what he's doing wrong, its effects, demonstrated proper technique, and even snuck up behind him to record video so he can see what he's doing wrong. I have tried helping him several times and now I just leave him be.

You cannot help some guys.

Lou Figueroa
If someone snuck behind me with a video recorder and later showed me the evidence, we'd be having a conversation in the parking lot, and it wouldn't be a commendation on their coaching style.
 
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