Corey Deuel still good? Fargorate

[Fore Rail]

How bout the end of the Jeremy Jones - Shane Wolford match yesterday.

Shane was up 8-5 and had a few chances with easy layouts to win the match - couldn't get it done.

Is he really a 769?

The last rack of a hill - hill Billy Thorpe - Khalid Alghandi was also very interesting from the 6 ball out.

Do they both suck?

Point is these guys and gals are all human, they all miss & at times yes they do choke.

 

[poolscholar]

How bout the end of the Jeremy Jones - Shane Wolford match yesterday.

Shane was up 8-5 and had a few chances with easy layouts to win the match - couldn't get it done.

Is he really a 769?

The last rack of a hill - hill Billy Thorpe - Khalid Alghandi was also very interesting from the 6 ball out.

Do they both suck?

Point is these guys and gals are all human, they all miss & at times yes they do choke.

Kinda like how it's a cold day and so how can there be global warming?

My point is people get old and less active. So their rating can be too high.

 

[Black-Balled]

Since you obviously didn't read every post in the thread.

One time for you.

I have no problem discussing the possible downswing in the career / game of Corey Deuel or anyone else for that matter.

So in other words it's not what poolscholar said, it's how he said it.

 

[Fore Rail]

Kinda like how it's a cold day and so how can there be global warming?

My point is people get old and less active. So their rating can be too high.

Depending on what region you are in that's exactly what global warming can cause.

Being older and less active can have no meaning at all.

Time will tell.

 

[poolscholar]

Depending on what region you are in that's exactly what global warming can cause.

Being older and less active can have no meaning at all.

Time will tell.

So you're saying it's possible we have a top athlete that's 80 years old?

 

[8intheside]

Corey's career is a very interesting one. I don't think he was ever among the elite in terms of cueing prowess. What gave him his edge was his creativity and tactical play. In today's game -- the best strikers seem to win everything.

Corey's career is a very interesting one. I don't think he was ever among the elite in terms of cueing prowess. What gave him his edge was his creativity and tactical play. In today's game -- the best strikers seem to wi

At one point in his prime he was one of the best players in the United States.

 

[Fore Rail]

So you're saying it's possible we have a top athlete that's 80 years old?

Anything is possible, but highly unlikely or improbable.

You may also be making a vast generalization without evidence to support such a claim.

 

[poolscholar]

Anything is possible, but highly unlikely or improbable.

You may also be making a vast generalization without evidence to support such a claim.

Well since anything is possible, let's not assume. I'm glad I'll keep my rating until death

 

[poolscholar]

Biggest mistake I see in software is not collecting user birth date. Easiest way to tell people apart as well.

 

[poolscholar]

Anything is possible, but highly unlikely or improbable.

You may also be making a vast generalization without evidence to support such a claim.

Would you agree most people over 750 who are 30 or 40 years old now will be slightly lower when they are 70?

I mean earl is still great but he's not at his peak. And he tries hard to be healthy

 

[Fore Rail]

Would you agree most people over 750 who are 30 or 40 years old now will be slightly lower when they are 70?

I mean earl is still great but he's not at his peak. And he tries hard to be healthy

At 70 there comes a greater risk of overall health decline.

So it is very possible / probable to also see a decline in Fargo Rating yes.

Having said, that certainly doesn't have to apply to all 70 year olds.

I'm thinking Efren right now.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I think corey was always over rated. I think the 780ish he is now might be what he was in his prime. He had a great year in 2001, and really nothing since.

 

[BasementDweller]

I think corey was always over rated. I think the 780ish he is now might be what he was in his prime. He had a great year in 2001, and really nothing since.

I've sort of thought this for years. If you look closely at his record, he really wasn't ever among the elite. Yes, he had one great year where he figured out a way to stay a step ahead of the competition, but that was about it. He sort of came along right at the end of the "hustling" era. Quickly after, pool became more of a sport where one had to keep up with a slew of European and Asian pros that took the game and their training more seriously.

 

[westcoast]

I think corey was always over rated. I think the 780ish he is now might be what he was in his prime. He had a great year in 2001, and really nothing since.

In his prime, Corey would likely be a 805-810 player. It wasn't just 2001, he was a threat to win any tournament he entered for about a 15 year time frame. He was a top 5 American player during that time and probably top 30 in the world.

In the past 10 years he has declined- likely due to age and lack of competitive fire. He seems to focus more on bar table events now.

 

[Nick8400]

hmm.. probably not much, but isn't that most likely one pocket? isn't he always winning the annual seniors 1 pocket

They are still finishing the 2024 finals. That wedge is tough to fade.

 

[dendweller]

Performance still shows in pool in short term. Deuel lost badly relative to his expected skill and his opponents skill. It's how you use that information to adjust a rating.

If you assume players don't get better or worse or weight the past too heavily, then established ratings will barely move for players like Deuel. Most amateurs probably get to a certain level and rarely change. But we all do get old and usually less active as we age

I'm pretty sure with fargo you can be inactive for a couple years and your rating can go up because the people you played before you became inactive have improved. Least that's my recollection, could be proved wrong.

 

[Flakeandrun]

Just watched him get smoked at the us open. He tried a jump shot and didn't even hit airborne. His fargorate is 773... What if he's actually a 730 or 40 now...then I wondered

How long will it take fargorate to accurately reflect how he's playing now, given that's he's older and less active? What if he stops playing? is he forever at 773? Seems odd

A golf handicap uses the most recent 20 rounds but I think fargorate goes back years. I'd be curious to see the biggest drop in rating from a pro with a long history

It's like reverse sandbagging, forever stuck in his glory days, sorry Corey

Lay down a few $$$ and ask him for a game. You can find out for yourself then. I'd watch.

 

[mikepage]

Just watched him get smoked at the us open. He tried a jump shot and didn't even hit airborne. His fargorate is 773... What if he's actually a 730 or 40 now...then I wondered
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FargoRate tracks the decline pretty well, provided
(1) it is natural decline, like with age, as opposed to sudden, like with a stroke
(2) The player keeps playing

Take Archer, with 10,000 games in the system, for example. He was once (decade ago) around 790, was 766 beginning of 2024, and is 751 now. So he is currently going down at about 10 points per year.
If we compute his performance for his last 800 games (Feb 2025 to now), we get 753

Efren basically nearly stopped getting games into the system. So though his rating has gone down 20 points in the last 3-4 years, his actual skill could be declining faster. We don't know.