10-Ball Last Rule

Bob Jewett said:
Did you want to do rack your own or opponent racks?
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FWIW, i think the one ball should not always be the head ball in 9-ball when playing TE rules.

I think the balls should have to be racked RANDOMLY (this includes the one ball) and the nine should not count on the break. Only the nine should have to be racked in the middle.

The breaker should still have to hit the head ball first on the break though.
 
garczar said:
Because it removes a key part of pool, the '2way shot'. CS/CS is a very sterile/boring way to play. Trying to take luck totally out of the game is no good. If that's what you want go play 14.1 or 1p. The WPA and Pred/CSI seem to agree as neither play CS/CS.
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Does anyone actually play that way nowadays? I haven’t seen that is many years.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Which is how all major competitions should have been played forever. If a league or group of amateur players feels the players shouldn't be bothered to avoid touching balls randomly -- it will spoil their enjoyment, or something -- they can always make up their own CBFO rule. The CSI CBFO rules are reasonably complete.

Mike Zuglan has a sort of in between rule. Some touches are fouls and some are not, depending on the timing.
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Straight Pool, which was the premier pool game for decades was always played with all ball fouls!
 
NathanDetroit said:
First, show me the tape of a pro attempting a "two way". Most often you see the apology wave.

And, aren't the majority of complaints about league players slopping in shots or leaving an opponent hooked: lucky
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I've watched several matches from the Peri and now Hanoi. I saw many two way shots. It's an integral part of the game.
 
NathanDetroit said:
First, show me the tape of a pro attempting a "two way". Most often you see the apology wave.

And, aren't the majority of complaints about league players slopping in shots or leaving an opponent hooked: lucky
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Seriously??? You actually need a video to prove that top players play two-way shots?? Wow. BTW, all the league's i know of don't play slop shots as legal. Its all call-pocket.
 
7stud said:
If you are honestly trying not to touch a ball, and you rarely do, that's one thing, but I've played with people who touch every ball near their bridge, including nudging the cue ball with their tip. They are clearly not trying very hard NOT to touch a ball. For those people, they need to be held accountable with ALL BALL fouls.
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In the last BCA league I played in we had CSI rules but we didn't enforce the all balls foul rule. Good thing since there was one player in particular that fouled on that basis with many of his shots due to his "Schlitz tumor" hanging down when he was on a shot.
 
SBC said:
Does anybody else hate seeing pros breaking 9 on the spot 9 ball?

Cue ball slamming side to side. Chopping in the occasional 9 that doesn't move because of the magic rack.

Nobody controlling the object ball....and I know that's the point. It looks amateurish.

Nine ball pool should be 1 on the spot, racked with a real rack.
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I was watching a match with 9 on the spot and one of the commentators said that it was being done to make it harder to achieve the golden break. I'm ambivalent about it.
 
Protractor said:
I was watching a match with 9 on the spot and one of the commentators said that it was being done to make it harder to achieve the golden break. I'm ambivalent about it.
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The main reason was to keep the wing ball from being dead with a tight rack. The 9 doesn't move with a tight rack unless it is kissed. In fact, with the nine on the spot and the cut break, some players target the 9 with the cue ball off a side cushion.

Before templates, you would sometimes see tables where the 9 went towards a corner pocket most breaks due to the way balls were racking.
 
garczar said:
Seriously??? You actually need a video to prove that top players play two-way shots?? Wow. BTW, all the league's i know of don't play slop shots as legal. Its all call-pocket.
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APA is the biggest league which, I believe, does not require a called shot other than the 8b. BCA is call shot, but allows a called safe.

And, yeah, I want film.
 
Protractor said:
I was watching a match with 9 on the spot and one of the commentators said that it was being done to make it harder to achieve the golden break. I'm ambivalent about it.
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More that pros were making the wing ball on the break, and controlling the 1 and cue ball over 80%. Made for alot of break and runs. Those who broke better would be favored.

Now its just amateurish....cueball slamming back and forth.
 
SBC said:
More that pros were making the wing ball on the break, and controlling the 1 and cue ball over 80%. Made for alot of break and runs. Those who broke better would be favored.

Now its just amateurish....cueball slamming back and forth.
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Ok, got it. That matches my experience. After not playing 9 ball since college I dusted it off when the local league had a 9 ball series to fill in the schedule when they couldn't recruit enough teams for the calendar. I was nailing the wing on the break and putting the 1 down by the corner pocket and getting a clear shot so I had easy run outs. Second place player wasn't even in the running.
 
garczar said:
10b last blows. Makes the game too boring. We play WPA with the stip. you can legally carom/combo to w
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HawaiianEye said:
FWIW, i think the one ball should not always be the head ball in 9-ball when playing TE rules.

I think the balls should have to be racked RANDOMLY (this includes the one ball) and the nine should not count on the break. Only the nine should have to be racked in the middle.

The breaker should still have to hit the head ball first on the break though.
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You boys on the big isle have some strange ideas about pool, eh??😉
 
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