Men's 2025 World 8-Ball Championship, Bali, Oct.7-13

Vahmurka said:
for real brackets click here

(Please don't tell anyone. They are a real pain to retrieve :D This has become kind of a standard with cuescore, for some reason that puzzles me. Once I even managed to drop them an email, but to no avail)
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Thanks! I looked on cuescore earlier and couldn't find this, at all.

It should be up to Predator and/or WPA to make it easy to locate a bracket for a world championship. This would not be an issue with any other sport.
 
Rocket354 said:
We can quibble with semantics, but these stats here, to me, really support calling pro 8b a "breaking contest."
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I believe that the two best 8ball breaks in the game belong to SVB and E Kaci. They will both be tough to beat in this event.

Good luck to both of them and to all these fine players.
 
sjm said:
I believe that the two best 8ball breaks in the game belong to SVB and E Kaci. They will both be tough to beat in this event.

Good luck to both of them and to all these fine players.
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We're down to the Last 32 for tomorrow, including those 2 rookies you mentioned and quite a few other legitimate contestants.

SVB looked good in his 8-4 match today against Wu KL, except for his success on the break -- 2 wet (both B&Rs), 5 dry. But Shane made some excellent outs and missed just 2 shots, both in the same game.

Someone with good success on the break today was Denis Grabe -- 6 wet (5 B&Rs, including a 4-pack), 1 dry. This was my first look at Sean Malayan from the Philippines. Seems like quite a good player; he didn't have many chances in this match (lost 3-8) but still made it into the Last 32.
 
AtLarge said:
We're down to the Last 32 for tomorrow, including those 2 rookies you mentioned and quite a few other legitimate contestants.

SVB looked good in his 8-4 match today against Wu KL, except for his success on the break -- 2 wet (both B&Rs), 5 dry. But Shane made some excellent outs and missed just 2 shots, both in the same game.

Someone with good success on the break today was Denis Grabe -- 6 wet (5 B&Rs, including a 4-pack), 1 dry. This was my first look at Sean Malayan from the Philippines. Seems like quite a good player; he didn't have many chances in this match (lost 3-8) but still made it into the Last 32.
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Thanks for the update. I've yet to watch any of the action but I have followed the brackets. I'm sure I'll have a glance once they are down to four.

Not many easy draws out there. Let's see who has got the juice.
 
AtLarge said:
We're down to the Last 32 for tomorrow, including those 2 rookies you mentioned and quite a few other legitimate contestants.

SVB looked good in his 8-4 match today against Wu KL, except for his success on the break -- 2 wet (both B&Rs), 5 dry. But Shane made some excellent outs and missed just 2 shots, both in the same game.

Someone with good success on the break today was Denis Grabe -- 6 wet (5 B&Rs, including a 4-pack), 1 dry. This was my first look at Sean Malayan from the Philippines. Seems like quite a good player; he didn't have many chances in this match (lost 3-8) but still made it into the Last 32.
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I think the B&R average for professional 9 ball tournaments is about 30%. Do you have similar stats for professional 8 ball tournaments on 9 footers and 7 footers?
 
VVP said:
I think the B&R average for professional 9 ball tournaments is about 30%. Do you have similar stats for professional 8 ball tournaments on 9 footers and 7 footers?
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It's usually in the 40s or 50s on both table sizes for a cross section of pro matches.

Dr. Dave has been tabulating a few of my stats for many years now: https://drdavepoolinfo.com/faq/break/stats/. The 8-Ball table has far fewer entries than the 9- and 10-Ball tables, and not many at all for events on 7-footers. Also note the lower B&R numbers for the World Pool Series events back in 2017 and 2018. That was Darren Appleton's series, in which he experimented with the rules to make 8-Ball more difficult for pros.

You can also check your 30% for 9-Ball from Dave's table. B&Rs vary quite a bit depending on the conditions (equipment and rules).
 
i like that one local player goes by the name rizky rizky.

ameer ali is one to look out for. not only has he shown what he can do in WPC but he plays 8-ball well too (heyball)
 
AtLarge said:
It's usually in the 40s or 50s on both table sizes for a cross section of pro matches.

Dr. Dave has been tabulating a few of my stats for many years now: https://drdavepoolinfo.com/faq/break/stats/. The 8-Ball table has far fewer entries than the 9- and 10-Ball tables, and not many at all for events on 7-footers. Also note the lower B&R numbers for the World Pool Series events back in 2017 and 2018. That was Darren Appleton's series, in which he experimented with the rules to make 8-Ball more difficult for pros.

You can also check your 30% for 9-Ball from Dave's table. B&Rs vary quite a bit depending on the conditions (equipment and rules).
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Great! Thank you. Glad that I asked because I wasn't aware that Dr. Dave was summarizing your stats.
Thanks for your efforts on these stats!
 
Last year, it looked like the players had a bigger success with breaking from the center, getting the second ball in the side.
Why do they break from the side, obviously it doesn’t work as well?
 
skor said:
Last year, it looked like the players had a bigger success with breaking from the center, getting the second ball in the side.
Why do they break from the side, obviously it doesn’t work as well?
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Most pro players don’t break from the side in terms of the 2nd ball break. The main exception that comes to mind is Corey Deuel who is great at the 2nd ball break
 
westcoast said:
Most pro players don’t break from the side in terms of the 2nd ball break. The main exception that comes to mind is Corey Deuel who is great at the 2nd ball break
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Not what I meant. They hit the head ball and the two balls behind it are going in the side pockets.

Check our Filler's and Chang's breaks here for example:


other videos from that events shows this as well

Also see Shane's break here from the US Open 8ball


For some reason, in this World Championships, they all break from the side and it doesn't work, most breaks are dry
 
skor said:
... For some reason, in this World Championships, they all break from the side and it doesn't work, most breaks are dry
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I've seen quite a bit of experimenting in this event with breaking from various positions. Pagulayan even seemed to try hitting both the second and third balls at the same time. Shane has moved around. As much as he practices breaking, I have to believe that he has tried just about everything for these tables. I just checked his match with Wu Kun Lin again, in which he was dry on 5 of 7 breaks. Only one of them, the first one, was from the side -- his left side a few inches off the rail; it was dry. He then broke the other 6 times from "center," except the center was never right in the middle, and was at least 3 different distances to the right of the middle on those 6 breaks, 4 of which were dry.

Yes, a lot of the breaks are dry, but not quite "most," at least on the Table 1 and Table 2 matches. There have been 10 of those matches so far, in which 52% of the breaks have been successful. That is right in line with the 2023 and 2024 editions of this event, where the breaks were successful in the matches I tracked 51% of the time.
 
jax_joe said:
They aren't even streaming any of the round of 32. Pathetic. ...
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I agree. I'd much rather see the men's and women's events handled separately for the streaming, so a person could choose one or the other.

The Predator process also stretches things out unnecessarily. The Men's World 10-Ball Championship a couple weeks ago lasted 9 days for the men (plus more days for someone entering the Stage 1 qualifiers). And it was just a 96-player event. Sure, players can depart once they are knocked out, but some must be there throughout, possibly requiring more travel expenses than would be the case with a shorter event.

Edit -- This current 8-Ball event also is for 96 players, and it was scheduled for 5 days rather than 9. So that's much better. But, still, it is frustrating to have so few of the matches covered by the main streams because of going back and forth between the men and women.
 
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Yikes, Filler trails Makkonen 3-7 in the L32. SVB is ahead 5-1 in his match.


Edit -- Those matches ended the way they were headed -- Makkonen over Filler 10-6 and SVB over Mantra 10-3.
 
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Speaking of slow. One of the L32 matches seems to still be going, unless they are just tardy in marking it up.

Alenzi (Kuwait) vs. Saguiped (Philippines)

Edit -- Now (at 1:31) it just went to hill/hill.
 
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