Foul I’d not seen in the wild before

Flakeandrun

Flakeandrun

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Table next to me in the tourney had an interesting situation today. The player holding cue in hand, lined up a kick with tip to cushion, while pulling cue back his tip marked the cloth, he played the kick, and his opponent mentioned it to him.

A few shots later, another situation needing a kick arises, he does the same thing, but this time the opponent stops play and calls the ref over before the shot is taken. Points at the marking, and after a little bickering with the player, the referee awards a free ball.

They played the rest of the game with faces like thunder. Not seen this situation for a foul happen in real life before. Quite entertaining.

I didn’t fair so well, lost 7-5, won from the losers side 7-2, then lost next game 7-4. The last game I’d say I was lucky to get 4 racks. The guy was a beast. These Wolf tables are just under 4” new cloth and those new rails still have not worn in and a lot of life in them.

Anyone seen a similar foul out in the wild?
 
The local leagues were all about technicals and marking was a favorite. Tip touching the cloth was marking as was fingertips on the cloth other than bridging. I stayed out of the leagues but had to play under this mentality - their bars and all...
 
Flakeandrun said:
... Anyone seen a similar foul out in the wild?
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I saw a pro player who would look at the one-rail kick line from the cushion looking back to the cue ball. He would then pull his index finger from the cushion back over the rail. It sure seemed to me he was leaving a little grease on the rail cap. He did this multiple times in the matches I saw in one tournament. No one ever said anything. He kicked in a lot of balls.

A related story.... The owner of Palace Billiards in San Francisco was in a ring (multi-player) game on the 6x12. He had a cross-side kick shot. He walked over to the rail and carefully placed a piece of chalk as a kick target. As he walked around the table to shoot from the other side, an opponent reached out with the tip of his cue and moved the chalk over an inch. Of course the owner kicked the ball in.
 
Renegade4006 said:
If the shooting player was made aware of the first marking incident and then used the same procedure again, marking the table again: Sounds like intentional marking and a valid foul.
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I have to agree. Was quite entertaining to watch their game after. Both are very competent players. “Kicked” them up a gear.

Bob Jewett said:
I saw a pro player who would look at the one-rail kick line from the cushion looking back to the cue ball. He would then pull his index finger from the cushion back over the rail. It sure seemed to me he was leaving a little grease on the rail cap. He did this multiple times in the matches I saw in one tournament. No one ever said anything. He kicked in a lot of balls.
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Subtle, hard to argue. I read a story somewhere about Efren picking his nose and wiping it on rails. But that may have been general sharking, not lining up a kick.
Bob Jewett said:
A related story.... The owner of Palace Billiards in San Francisco was in a ring (multi-player) game on the 6x12. He had a cross-side kick shot. He walked over to the rail and carefully placed a piece of chalk as a kick target. As he walked around the table to shoot from the other side, an opponent reached out with the tip of his cue and moved the chalk over an inch. Of course the owner kicked the ball in.
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😂 love it
 
Bob Jewett said:
I saw a pro player who would look at the one-rail kick line from the cushion looking back to the cue ball. He would then pull his index finger from the cushion back over the rail. It sure seemed to me he was leaving a little grease on the rail cap. He did this multiple times in the matches I saw in one tournament. No one ever said anything. He kicked in a lot of balls.

A related story.... The owner of Palace Billiards in San Francisco was in a ring (multi-player) game on the 6x12. He had a cross-side kick shot. He walked over to the rail and carefully placed a piece of chalk as a kick target. As he walked around the table to shoot from the other side, an opponent reached out with the tip of his cue and moved the chalk over an inch. Of course the owner kicked the ball in.
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I use this as a metal image of where I want to hit on the rail, a lot of times. I think many players do that without meaning to mark the position. In my head, it also plays a bit of a psychological game with the opponent if they are not a great player, since they see me touch the rail for my aiming, and I often hit that exact spot they see me point at. It may start them thinking they are outmatched and give me a bit of an edge in confidence.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Table next to me in the tourney had an interesting situation today. The player holding cue in hand, lined up a kick with tip to cushion, while pulling cue back his tip marked the cloth, he played the kick, and his opponent mentioned it to him.

A few shots later, another situation needing a kick arises, he does the same thing, but this time the opponent stops

Anyone seen a similar foul out in the wild?
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You can do the same to mark the first ball of a combination.
 
I have a friend that often lets the tip touch the table when he is lining up shots. He isn't marking but it sure looks like it! I have seen people try marking various ways. When they use chalk cubes I just reach out with my stick and knock it ten feet or so.

People are often marking wrong so small gambling I let them go to it. Gambling for more I figure they know better and call them on it. Figure they are just testing if I will call anyway.

While a foul could have been called first time around in a tourney, the player handled it exactly as I would have. One warning of a foul, then a penalty.

Hu
 
Flakeandrun said:
Table next to me in the tourney had an interesting situation today. The player holding cue in hand, lined up a kick with tip to cushion, while pulling cue back his tip marked the cloth, he played the kick, and his opponent mentioned it to him.

A few shots later, another situation needing a kick arises, he does the same thing, but this time the opponent stops play and calls the ref over before the shot is taken. Points at the marking, and after a little bickering with the player, the referee awards a free ball.

They played the rest of the game with faces like thunder. Not seen this situation for a foul happen in real life before. Quite entertaining.

I didn’t fair so well, lost 7-5, won from the losers side 7-2, then lost next game 7-4. The last game I’d say I was lucky to get 4 racks. The guy was a beast. These Wolf tables are just under 4” new cloth and those new rails still have not worn in and a lot of life in them.

Anyone seen a similar foul out in the wild?
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Awarded a free ball?….that’s a snooker term…what game is being played?
 
Flakeandrun said:
9ball… two years deep into pool, and I still use the wrong ‘dialect’ 😂 banks are doubles, combos are plants, skids/bad contact are kicks bala bala bala
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Okay….I just wanted to be sure….I’m trilingual from snooker, pool ,and carombole. My first game was snooker.
 
This week several members of the MOB -- YES still alive and kicking NY MOB--- were arrested for rigging high stakes poker games- they had: Rigged card shuffling machines, Poker tables that could "read" and transmit wirelessly cards that were face down on the table, hidden cameras, etc.

Marking cards and marking pool tables is now truly old school cheating. Someday someone may come up with an overhead camera/ scan device connected wirelessly to table pocket centers and the billiard ball set. A tiny imbedded device behind the cue tip inside the ferrule will transmit a beep to a hidden ear device of the shooter when each shot is perfectly aligned- don't think this cannot happen.

A " gambling" table will be as 'set up' as the mob poker tables discovered in the latest FBI sting.
 
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