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I remember on year the US lost a lot of the lags and lost a number of hill-hill matches. So the lag is super important in a short race to 5 alternate break.
Over the last 12 Mosconi Cups, the team that won the lag won the match 61% of the time (119 of 195).
The worst year for lag winners in that period was 2019, when winners of the lag won just 7 of 19 matches. The best performance for lag winners was in 2017, when the team that won the lag won all 15 matches!
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I looked at the records of Thorpe and Verner this year.
Lukas ended up with more points - 21,700 vs 18,450 for Billy.
More than half of Verner’s points came from a flurry of events earlier in the year in the U.S. The Beasley Open (5,100), The Diamond Open (4,100) and the McDermott Open (1,500),
His best finish in a Matchroom major was top 32 in the Philippines Open. But he lost to the first really good player he faced, Jeffrey Roda.
Verner’s best wins this year were over Tyler Styer and Ralf Souquet, from what I could find.
He’s lost to Alexander Kazakis, Felix Vogel, Cory Deuel, Sanjin Pelivanovic, Fedor Gorst, Ko Pin Yi, Albin Ouschan, Aleksa Pecelj, Skyler Woodward, David Alcaide, Robbie Capito.
Verner did beat Thorpe, 9-8, in a head to head match at Beasley in the semifinals. Thorpe beat Lukas 9-3 in the mini-Derby 9 ball event.
Thorpe got the bulk of his points from quarterfinal finishes at the Derby Classic (4,000) and Peri Open (6,000), both of which were stacked fields. He lost twice to Gorst, 9-8, at Derby and was beaten 10-1 by Ko Ping Chung in Peri.
Thorpe had some notable wins this year. He beat Alexander Pecelj twice, Mickey Krause, Wiktor Zielenski.
In his career, he’s also beaten Filler in the Mosconi, Carlo Biado, SVB and other top names.
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I can’t say the performance between Thorpe and Verner were much different this year. But Billy can and has beaten some of the best established players in the world.
Lukas doesn’t seem to have any career wins this year or really ever. He has lost to virtually every top established player he has played. Nor has he ever gotten very far in a big event like WNT major or the Peri. This is a hump he needs to get over.
I think Billy is the best choice this year. If Lukas takes another big step up in 2026, he’ll be primed to play on the Mosconi.
Lukas ended up with more points - 21,700 vs 18,450 for Billy.
More than half of Verner’s points came from a flurry of events earlier in the year in the U.S. The Beasley Open (5,100), The Diamond Open (4,100) and the McDermott Open (1,500),
His best finish in a Matchroom major was top 32 in the Philippines Open. But he lost to the first really good player he faced, Jeffrey Roda.
Verner’s best wins this year were over Tyler Styer and Ralf Souquet, from what I could find.
He’s lost to Alexander Kazakis, Felix Vogel, Cory Deuel, Sanjin Pelivanovic, Fedor Gorst, Ko Pin Yi, Albin Ouschan, Aleksa Pecelj, Skyler Woodward, David Alcaide, Robbie Capito.
Verner did beat Thorpe, 9-8, in a head to head match at Beasley in the semifinals. Thorpe beat Lukas 9-3 in the mini-Derby 9 ball event.
Thorpe got the bulk of his points from quarterfinal finishes at the Derby Classic (4,000) and Peri Open (6,000), both of which were stacked fields. He lost twice to Gorst, 9-8, at Derby and was beaten 10-1 by Ko Ping Chung in Peri.
Thorpe had some notable wins this year. He beat Alexander Pecelj twice, Mickey Krause, Wiktor Zielenski.
In his career, he’s also beaten Filler in the Mosconi, Carlo Biado, SVB and other top names.
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I can’t say the performance between Thorpe and Verner were much different this year. But Billy can and has beaten some of the best established players in the world.
Lukas doesn’t seem to have any career wins this year or really ever. He has lost to virtually every top established player he has played. Nor has he ever gotten very far in a big event like WNT major or the Peri. This is a hump he needs to get over.
I think Billy is the best choice this year. If Lukas takes another big step up in 2026, he’ll be primed to play on the Mosconi.
Thank you for doing this research. It puts things into perspective. I will take issue with one thing thought. You stated that Derby City was a stacked field. I would disagree. There are more "dead money players" in Derby than a Matchroom event. Granted there are "dead money players" in Mathroom events, but I feel there isn't as many.
bpeacock
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My wife and I watched every shot of the 2023 MC and enjoyed it so much we went to see 2024 live in Florida. We even got VIP one day... As soon as it was over she said "let's go to London in 2025". So to answer your question, we love MC and have lost both times. She does not like watching any other pool events. I have been shooting on and off for 40 years and before 2023, I had never heard of the Mosconi Cup.
That is a great story. You stated she doesn't like watching any other pool event. Can you explain why she likes Mosconi Cup? I have a feeling I know but want to hear from you. Also, is your wife a player at all?
You must watch a different MC than the rest of us
I'm sure it is MUCH more fun in person! Of that I have no doubt.
sudocrushms
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I’m checked out on the Mosconi Cup. I’m not a fan of circus type atmosphere that’s a big portion of what this event is about. I can get past that when the competition is good, but lately it hasn’t even been in the realm of a competitive event and that just doesn’t interest me.
I’m also not a fan of how political the teams appear to be. I think Emily is far too chummy with the players and that ends up having an influence on who gets chosen for these types of events. Emily is ok, but I do think she strays outside of what could be construed as “professional” at times.
I’m also not a fan of how political the teams appear to be. I think Emily is far too chummy with the players and that ends up having an influence on who gets chosen for these types of events. Emily is ok, but I do think she strays outside of what could be construed as “professional” at times.
Really? Share this Polish roster with us. I'd love to look up the players.
I'm familiar with players from the other areas and don't necessarily disagree.
Polish players currently in Fargorate's Top 100 World:
831 Wojciech Szewczyk
825 Wiktor Zielinski
815 Daniel Maciol
804 Mieszko Fortunski
800 Konrad Juszczyszyn
799 Mateusz Sniegocki
792 Szymon Kural
sudocrushms
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Yeah, that's a hell of a team. Germany is strong also:
Joshua Filler 857 DEU
Moritz Neuhausen 819 DEU
Raphael Wahl 810 DEU
Stefan Kasper 807 DEU
Tobias Bongers 797 DEU
Ralf Souquet 796 DEU
Thorsten Hohmann 793 DEU
But while I'm playing in excel have a look at this hilariously deep bench:
Carlo Biado 838 PHL
Johann Chua 836 PHL
Anton Raga 833 PHL
Jonas Magpantay 831 PHL
Dennis Orcollo 825 PHL
Jerico Banares 821 PHL
Lee Van Corteza 817 PHL
Jeffrey Roda 816 PHL
Oliver Villafuerte 813 PHL
Paolo Gallito 811 PHL
Calil Ramber 811 PHL
Bernie Regalario 811 PHL
Jeffrey Ignacio 810 PHL
Edwin Gamas 810 PHL
Jundel Mazon 810 PHL
James Aranas 810 PHL
Kyle Amoroto 806 PHL
Roland Garcia 806 PHL
Harry Vergara 805 PHL
Jeffrey De Luna 805 PHL
Baseth Mocaibat 804 PHL
Marvin Asis 802 PHL
AJ Manas 800 PHL
Assis Tadique 800 PHL
Francisco Bustamante 798 PHL
Michael Baoanan 796 PHL
Antonio Lining 796 PHL
Michael Feliciano 794 PHL
Aivhan Maluto 792 PHL
Roberto Gomez 791 PHL
30 from the Philippines in the Fargorate Top 100 World!
bpeacock
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She does hit balls every once in a while to humor me. She doesn't like it...Fargo 192. Not a competitive bone in her body. She said that she likes the fact that she can see every game and know what is going on without having to watch 30 tables (she was referring to DCC). She has no desire to meet the players (except Pia. She thinks Pia is nice) She does like the banter at MC. She didn't say it but I think she also likes rooting against Shaw and Filler. They got on her bad side in 2023 with the antics. We don't watch any other sports. I work for a University in the SEC and we don't even keep up with college football
The top five match the average of Team USA.