Ultimate Pool Shootout North Carolina bracket

Been watching this tournament and seeing players I never heard of eating up 8 ball on a bar table. I thought 8 ball on a bar table was supposed to be more difficult because of congestion, but it sure does not look that way in this tournament.
Try it on standard table
Ones without new cloth or new balls
And get back to us

Hell try it on the same equipment they do
 
Been watching this tournament and seeing players I never heard of eating up 8 ball on a bar table. I thought 8 ball on a bar table was supposed to be more difficult because of congestion, but it sure does not look that way in this tournament.

i think that's still true for sub-750 players.

regarding that bergman - rodney match i remember watching a CSI 8-ball US open when they played on diamond barboxes. neither rodney or his opponent missed a single ball, and that was a longer race than this
 
Joe Prince's rating is 737. He seems to thrive in this format (easy table conditions, 7 footer, short shot clock) and play above that rating. Which means he has a bunch of games in the system where he plays more like a shortstop? Either that, or he has won a lot of close races against lesser competition?

In the 2025 Houston Open his performance over eight matches was a 670: https://digitalpool.com/tournaments/houston-open-nineball-main-event-2025/performance

Along with a 7-3 loss to a 770 in the mini (again a roughly 670 performance): https://digitalpool.com/tournaments/houston-open-nineball-mini-2025/performance

i would think the fargo is all based on big table pool, he plays the 9-ball tour in UK. do UP even report to fargo? most other brits are not rated
 
i think that's still true for sub-750 players.
agree,
i feel most people watching are 9ball players that dont play much competitive 8b on bar tables
less with conditions that are not brand spanking new cloth and balls. that, along with the highest skill levels around make 8b a run out game as shown here by the pros

rodney made several mistakes that would have cost anyone a rack, i believe one rack he had to break open the 8 two times in the match with justin

styer made the same mistake anyone can playing it by running into balls and getting hooked/ and tieing up open balls
even seen joe prince do this

ive seen roberto gomez hook himself on the backside of an opponents ob ball by running full into it

8b is the perfect bar table game
 
The Mosconi Cup is the most important event in pool.
One of the more incredible claims I've ever read on the forum. I wonder if there is even a single pro player that agrees with you. You get $20,000 for showing up and an extra $20,000 if your team wins. Nobody is going to plan their entire year to be in their top form for the Mosconi. Do you think the Asians consider it the most important event in pool?

On the brighter side, while not even one of the three Europeans that won a WNT major this year was on Team "Rest of the World" at the almost embarrassing Reyes Cup, at least Filler, Labutis, and Alcaide won't be on the sidelines, so the Mosconi will offer a much higher grade of pool than that displayed at the Reyes Cup.
Shane and Tyler have both let down the USA many times in the past.
Uninformed. Tyler was probably the top performer on Team USA in 2024. Similarly, his unexpectedly fine performance in 2018 had a lot to do with ending Team USA's losing streak.
What happened to national pride?
America has five of the Top 100 players in the world based on Fargo, four if you don't count Gorst. Two of them are, more or less, retired from 9ball competition. In fact, the only two active Americans in the Fargo Top 100 are Shane and Skyler. Americans, as a group, have combined for exactly one WNT major since the tour began. There may be a little pride riding on the outcome here, but even if Team USA were to win 11-0, they would remain way behind Europe as cueists.

I love the Mosconi, and I'll attend my twelfth in a few weeks, but it's an exhibition, hardly a major competition. It is, however, an enduring festival of pool and attendees always enjoy it.
Shane and Tyler should be with Johan practising their break and 9 ball fundamentals.
Actually, unlike the members of Team Europe, all five team members of Team USA will be competing at the International Open in Florida the week before the Mosconi. They will also hold private sessions to prepare. That's good enough for me.
 
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Link is here, incredible play in that match:

Some solid play, but the commentary was mind-blowing. For them to be awed by a player not missing a single ball in a bar table eight ball race to six is hilarious. No, it's not historic.

Congrats to the champion. Well played.
 
i would think the fargo is all based on big table pool, he plays the 9-ball tour in UK. do UP even report to fargo? most other brits are not rated
Fargo includes 7 foot results. There have been a number of threads here about it:

 
Fargo includes 7 foot results. There have been a number of threads here about it:


sure, but that's in general. in the case of his UP matches, i don't think so.. at least the absence of waddingham, brennan, thompson et al indicates it doesn't

maybe mike can shed some light on this. either way 737 probably has him in the top echelon of the GB9. the brits are doing about as bad as the americans when it comes to new growth.
 
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maybe mike can shed some light on this. either way 737 probably has him in the top echelon of the GB9. the brits are doing about as bad as the americans when it comes to new growth.

Below are the active GBR players above 725, with Joe Prince on this list.

We're not currently importing UP games. It would probably be fine to do so. Games played with somewhat different rules on perhaps different equipment that would seem at first glance to taint the ratings generally actually improve the ratings. That is because their main effect occurs far away (in the spiderweb network) from the players actually playing in a place where the concerns people have are averaged out. The impact of improving the network generally overshadows the small dings from an occasional "specialist" in the unusual environment or unfamiliar players dabbling. Still, we're at this point not importing them.

Prince has about 300 games on 7' and 8' tables (Bogies in Houston, Piazzas in CO, Iowa)

another about 1000 games on 9' tables
UK Open,. Scottish Open, European Open, Great Britain 9-Ball Tour (GB9), London's Finest Pool (LFP), and Total 9-Ball

Performance is pretty similar everywhere in those games.



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One of the more incredible claims I've ever read on the forum. I wonder if there is even a single pro player that agrees with you. You get $20,000 for showing up and an extra $20,000 if your team wins. Nobody is going to plan their entire year to be in their top form for the Mosconi. Do you think the Asians consider it the most important event in pool?
Begs the question, how much do you spend to attend the Mosconi Cup, vs any other event?
 
Watching Bergman play makes me realise that Skyler has no clue.

Imagine picking Billy Thorpe over Justin Bergman.
Bergman over Thorpe any day, you should never just pick your friends, especially when the entire damn country wants you to win.

I know Bergman doesn't like to travel, but there's gotta be something to get him motivated.
 
Begs the question, how much do you spend to attend the Mosconi Cup, vs any other event?
I'm not Stu, but....

Mosconi Cup in the UK -- about $800 in airfare, $500 in tickets (not full VIP) $250/night for a room for five or eight days, $100/day in incidentals.

Most events in the US are about half of that.
 
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