Ok, so, never mind.
I see that it's NOT my new Diamond Professional.
It's a Rasson.
Extra Deflection on Mosconi Cup Table??
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Ok, so, never mind.
I see that it's NOT my new Diamond Professional.
It's a Rasson.
Rasson Victory III
This is the answer. Typically, on a long shot, a spinning ball will swerve in the opposite direction of deflection, reducing its overall effect. With a slick cloth, the spinning doesn't grab as much.
Yep. Think of squirt as "straight" for that amount of spin - cloth friction might affect the distance, but not the initial direction.
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I've heard that so many times for so many years I think it should be in Hustlin For Dummies. I imagine most accomplished players are optimized a certain way so differences do matter. Yeah I know adjust etc...
I haven't tested this but slidey cloth does seem to cause trickier cut angles. Object balls don't hook up as well so they don't initially throw as much. The easiest adjustment is to back off on the speed which those same ole balls only see less speed and react accordingly; often less than adequately.
I saw Louis Roberts slamming the pockets on a fresh tournament 9' table like it was a worn out bar table so must not be a problem for the players. Still, I'm curious about the what the actual issues are and what to do about 'em.
He sure could yes sir!!.
Louie's drop and fire was as good as anyone's in the game.
I still have a bad habit of doing that myself. Find the line and go. Gotta watch that.
Sometimes it feels like I'm a walking, talking bad habit.
The thing that got my attention was nothing jawed, nothing even rattled. Stunning to just happen upon that.He sure could yes sir!!.
Louie's drop and fire was as good as anyone's in the game.
I still have a bad habit of doing that myself. Find the line and go. Gotta watch that.
Sometimes it feels like I'm a walking, talking bad habit.
A treat of the highest order.
If you never got the chance to see the man perform when he wasnt at a venue or all eyes werent on him, that free wheeling stroke of his!!!
He could put on a show.
So many guys only saw his action during tournaments and matches.
It was something to see when hed put on a clinic!!!
"Even when you're just showing off"!!
( Kudos Steve.)Acrobatics, singing, all this while rifling in impossible cut angles and power draws.
Crazy!!!
Genius comes in many forms.
swerve is not deflection
deflection only happens on impact and it's only the angle in which the cue ball deviates from the line of the shot.
While it's the same table for both players, the players have different experiences and those who have been on a lot of new cloth will have an advantage. A mid-level player only gets to play on new cloth once every year or two when his home room finally changes it. That puts him at an additional disadvantage when he tries to play in a major event against players who play important matches on slick equipment multiple times per year.
Adjustment is part of sports. You think every green plays the same for golfers .. that would be a no.
To your second point that’s the reason I haven’t had my table recovered. It’s been 3 years and it’s showing ware from me playing every day. I clean it and the balls once a week but I don’t want new clothes because that’s not what I get to play on anyplace I play so It’s another adjustment I’d have to make that I’m not going to do until I have to.
Well It's the same for every player, so that's a moot point
I think the notion of 100% identical conditions in any sport is unobtainable, there will always be variations and in that respect a sport like pool is a much more controlled enviroment than say golf, ski jumping, or any sport that takes place outside for that matter
I get that Bob, but we are talking Mosconi cup level players here. These are supposed to be some of the best players in the world. These players play under all kinds of conditions with all kinds of equipment, some of the skill for a pro is to quickly be able to adapt to new circumstances.
I think the notion of 100% identical conditions in any sport is unobtainable, there will always be variations and in that respect a sport like pool is a much more controlled enviroment than say golf, ski jumping, or any sport that takes place outside for that matter
In my opinion, for players at the top pro level playing in a premier tournament on 4” pockets, even a miniscule way less than 1% difference in how a CB deflects could occasionally make the difference between a made or missed shot. It’s not likely a deflection difference that the rest of us need to worry about trying to adjust for.
The big tournaments play on new cloth every single time, thats what these guys are used to
Are they at your house? How else could it be YOUR table?
How do you not know if there's a crew, hundreds of people, or the players in your house? What country do you live in?
yep, and the initial squirt-line is not cloth dependent. now the speed down that line would be cloth dependent. imo that's what these guys are describing, not more deflection just faster deflection.
you dont know how slick new balls and cloth exaggerate playing conditions and gaging deflection?
you said youve played lots on new cloth, what about new cloth with new balls?
the difference is drastic to say the least from the tables at your every day pool room