Extra Deflection on Mosconi Cup Table??

[dr_dave]

I like to use ”squirt” for the initial CB deflection angle off the tip (since that is the correct use of the term). For the important description of how far the CB is off at the OB from the cue direction, to be clear, I like to use “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve).

Since many people use “squirt” and “CB deflection” interchangeably, it is probably better to have a different term for “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve). People (including me) have tried “squerve,” but it hasn’t stuck. Maybe “CB offset” is a good alternative. The offset of the CB from the aiming line at the OB is how much a player needs to adjust their aim for a given sidespin shot, based on shot speed, shot distance, amount and type of spin, cue elevation, and conditions.

What do you guys think about using “CB offset” or “aim offset” instead of “net CB deflection?”

 

[HawaiianEye]

If you shoot a cue ball down the table with extreme English on the horizontal equator of the ball, the cue ball will intially slide down the table like a spinning top.

Once struck, the speed of the shot, gravity, the friction caused by cloth, and the length of the shot will cause the cue ball to start turning over into a top spin in the direction of the Enlish that was put on the cue ball.

For those that can't mentally visualize this, the cue ball, if struck on the left, will intially go to the right but venture somewhat back to the left at some point.

Understanding and controlling that "arc" from the hit of the cue ball to the point you hope to hit on the target requires lots of practice and thought when attempting a shot.

If you have played at a high level and understand your cue, this becomes second nature.

 

[dr_dave]

For those that can't mentally visualize this, the cue ball, if struck on the left, will intially go to the right but venture somewhat back to the left at some point.

Good explanation of “squirt” and “swerve.” For those interested these effects, along with how they change with everything, they are illustrated and demonstrated here:

squirt, swerve, and throw effects​

Understanding and controlling that "arc" from the hit of the cue ball to the point you hope to hit on the target requires lots of practice and thought when attempting a shot.

If you have played at a high level and understand your cue, this becomes second nature.

For those for whom it is not yet “second nature,” the System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) can be very helpful. It automatically corrects for “CB offset” (the net effects of squirt and swerve) over a wide range of shot speeds and distances, and for any amount and type of spin.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Good explanation of “squirt” and “swerve.” For those interested these effects, along with how they change with everything, they are illustrated and demonstrated here:

squirt, swerve, and throw effects​

For those for whom it is not yet “second nature,” the System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) can be very helpful. It automatically corrects for “CB offset” (the net effects of squirt and swerve) over a wide range of shot speeds and distances, and for any amount and type of spin.

I saw "SAWS" before SAWS saw me.

Practicing for thousands of hours by myself as a kid and watching and playing the good players, I was able to experiment with almost every possible shot, over and over and over.

At some point, the brain picks up what is happening and you "see SAWS" in your mind when you prepare for a shot.

Even though you may experience your ups and downs, do not confuse this with see saws.

 

[Hungarian]

this cat is nuttier than squirrel shit. wow.

I gotta write that one down.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If you just play and don’t talk about what is going on, you don’t need words; but on a forum like this, it helps to use words most people interpret correctly.

Yes, it's about communicating (what forums like this are for) - and learning, which can be useful at any level.

pj
chgo

 

[skip100]

Oscar loves to stir the pot on social media. And then wonders why he isn’t picked for things like the mosconi cup

 

[bbb]

Since many people use “squirt” and “CB deflection” interchangeably, it is probably better to have a different term for “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve). People (including me) have tried “squerve,” but it hasn’t stuck. Maybe “CB offset” is a good alternative. The offset of the CB from the aiming line at the OB is how much a player needs to adjust their aim for a given sidespin shot, based on shot speed, shot distance, amount and type of spin, cue elevation, and conditions.

What do you guys think about using “CB offset” or “aim offset” instead of “net CB deflection?”

i would keep the term NET cue ball deflection because it suggests a combined effect

 

[Patrick Johnson]

What do you guys think about using “CB offset” or “aim offset” instead of “net CB deflection?”

I agree with Larry (bbb) that "net deflection/squirt" is best because it highlights the dual effects of squirt and swerve - "offset" sounds more to me like what you do with your tip.

pj
chgo

 

[straightline]

Since many people use “squirt” and “CB deflection” interchangeably, it is probably better to have a different term for “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve). People (including me) have tried “squerve,” but it hasn’t stuck. Maybe “CB offset” is a good alternative. The offset of the CB from the aiming line at the OB is how much a player needs to adjust their aim for a given sidespin shot, based on shot speed, shot distance, amount and type of spin, cue elevation, and conditions.

What do you guys think about using “CB offset” or “aim offset” instead of “net CB deflection?”

I use the term "offset" freely in my method. It's a requirement of centralized and fixed shot identification (contact points - ) where the shot is the actuality and the shooter must conform to it.

 

[maha]

you really just need to understand both as the final travel of the cue ball on your shot as noted is determined by various factors.

thats why i laugh and shouldnt at those trying to use all kinds of equipment changes to effect their shots and not even know what it does.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... that's why i laugh and shouldn't at those trying to use all kinds of equipment changes to effect their shots and not even know what it does.

Stop me if you've heard this one before....

I used to hang out for half an hour at a time at the OB booth at expos and such where they sold low deflection shafts. They had a table and enough different joint types that customers could shoot shots with the shafts on their own butt to see how they played. They could chalk the tip and shoot whatever shot they wanted.

Anyway, I saw five or six customers take some shots and then buy a shaft, and not one of them ever tried playing a shot with side spin.

 

[maha]

as an analogy its the same as a bowler. he has to learn to adjust to how his ball will curve depending on its weight, how the lanes are waxed, the
speed he throws it, and angle it leaves his hand, and how it leaves his hand position.

as H.E. said it takes a lot of learning and practice to get it together . and is the absolute truth as no system can do it for you, but can help some or get you to understand it better.