Extra Deflection on Mosconi Cup Table??

FeelDaShot said:
I saw a Facebook post today from Oscar mentioning how deflection is exaggerated at the Mosconi Cup due to the new slick cloth. I've never heard of this before. Can anyone explain what's going on here? I guess I don't understand how cloth can affect the amount of deflection.View attachment 867153
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Long answer: See the 6:55 point in this video:

Short answer:
slick cloth = delayed swerve = more net CB deflection (combined effects of squirt and swerve)​
 
The brand new cloth has less friction, so when the CB squirts sideways, it squirts more than on old cloth. It can be tough to figure out, especially because most players only play on new cloth once per year or two when their local room recovers.
 
I think the deflection has been saved for the interviews.
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I love how folks can find 200 words to say something as simple as, "play better," when waxing about the U.S. dilemma.
 
I played in the Florida Open and had a 2foot long shot on the 9 with a very slight cut angle to go up 1-0 vs Kazakis. I had run 5 or 6 balls to get to it. I was perfect on it. I hit it with a bit of outside and medium speed. I hit it fat, and missed. I would have bet the farm on that shot. It was the new conditions that caused me to miss.

Also of note, Simonis Shark Gray, which is the MR official cloth, is only available in 860, not 860HR (might also be available in 760, but irrelevant for this). Most new pro tables these days ship with 860HR, which is available in Tournament Blue. 860HR is the Diamond standard cloth install for the past several years.

So even though top pros are playing on new cloth multiple times per year, they are mostly playing on 860HR, not 860, except for MR produced events on Shark Gray.
 
garczar said:
if you've never hit balls on a fast TV lit table its hard to describe. i hit balls on the tv table at derby one year and that thing was literally like a sheet of glass. so much different than the outer tables it was hard to believe.
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Especially before the latest LED lights and if they have the old lights, they cook the humidity right out of the air
and the air circulates over the cloth, and all moisture leaves it as well= very slick conditions with new cloth.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The brand new cloth has less friction, so when the CB squirts sideways, it squirts more than on old cloth. It can be tough to figure out, especially because most players only play on new cloth once per year or two when their local room recovers.
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A small nit: It doesn’t squirt more, it swerves less (for more net CB deflection). An explanation and demonstrations can be found here:

 
just once I wish people would just say "Europe is winning because they played better than the US"

why is that so hard?

I don't remember any of these problems with equipment when the US won

before the attacks start, I am rooting for the US I just dislike the excuse making
 
Kim Bye said:
Well It's the same for every player, so that's a moot point

I get that Bob, but we are talking Mosconi cup level players here. These are supposed to be some of the best players in the world. These players play under all kinds of conditions with all kinds of equipment, some of the skill for a pro is to quickly be able to adapt to new circumstances.
I think the notion of 100% identical conditions in any sport is unobtainable, there will always be variations and in that respect a sport like pool is a much more controlled enviroment than say golf, ski jumping, or any sport that takes place outside for that matter
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There are other factors not mentioned such as heated &TV tables that many pro players may not have much experience.
 
what the real thing is that most players myself included, verbally use squirt or deflection to compare where the cueball ends up when it hits the object ball in relation to the path of the cue stick..
not the immediate path of the cueball when leaving the tip of the cue.

i hope how i put it, is understandable.
 
maha said:
what the real thing is that most players myself included, verbally use squirt or deflection to compare where the cueball ends up when it hits the object ball in relation to the path of the cue stick..
not the immediate path of the cueball when leaving the tip of the cue.

i hope how i put it, is understandable.
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I like to use ”squirt” for the initial CB deflection angle off the tip (since that is the correct use of the term). For the important description of how far the CB is off at the OB from the cue direction, to be clear, I like to use “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve).
 
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dr_dave said:
I like to use ”squirt” for the initial CB deflection angle off the tip (since that is the correct use of the term). For the important description of how far the CB is off at the OB from the cue direction, to be clear, I like to use “net CB deflection” (the combined effects of squirt and swerve).
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Yes, we need different words/phrases for both the immediate angle and for the final result, so we can communicate clearly about them.

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