Dominguez vs Guama race to 50 for 80+ per side

SUPERSTAR said:
Sounds like he's a typical scumbag pool player.

Stiff people, be addicted to drugs, steal...doesn't matter.
He will have legions of like minded scumbag followers and backers (a dime a dozen) who will gladly put him in games and laugh with him how they all got one over on whomever they rip off the next time.

This is the way of the pool world.
Zero accountability.
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I want to clarify, but Guama has said that he posted the money and it was all paid that night. Anything that wasn't paid would've been sidebet money that didn't involve him. (That's according to Guama.) He's not a scumbag.
 
nicksaint26 said:
Guama and Reyito are bad action in my opinion. The only reason they get played is because their backers have money to blow.

I guess to some bad action is better than no action?
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Wasn't the main backer Mr. Bolm who has more money than Jesus? Thought they said that on the stream.

Oscar, the only pro playing big sets....gets burned again. There is something to be said for being too nice.
 
garczar said:
Please can the drama. Tightening loose rail bolts did not determine the winner here. Did you watch any of it? Oscar clearly outplayed the guy. BTW, OD has worked on tables since he was about 10yrs old and he knows more about them than anyone in that room. Tightening loose bolts is no grounds for forfeit. Again, can the drama.
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Yep, another loser on here I would never gamble with. What a punk
 
Architect said:
This is an interesting situation. Oscar is a very standup guy and would never intentionally cheat and his character shows that. But it seems that the scenario is "Guama accepts the action that Oscar comes and they play on Guama's specific table the way it is." Oscar is allowed to practice before the match, checks pocket sizes for knowledge, then notices that rail bolts are loose or not installed. Corrects this, as playing for that amount of money makes it ridiculous to use incomplete equipment. He does this in front of the cameras but does not mention it and it comes out after the match.

The problem is that Oscar's intentions while good, gave the other side an out. Their argument could be that you accepted a game on this table as is. You can inspect it, offer a request to fix it, or cancel the action if you don't like it. The original parameters of the bet was altered. Does that warrant not getting paid? Probably not, but it introduces an argument for it.

What if after day 1, Guama's side modified the table without telling Oscar and he loses badly and it comes out equipment was modified without his knowledge, should he pay? This is not a WNT event where the equipment is held to a perfect standard. This is accepted action on a known "gaff" table which now makes the "gaff" the equipment standard for that match.
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They'd only bitch about it if it was a move....and Oscar figured it out.

Guama played like shit after getting to 8. I play better and im half blind with a day job.

I'd never play certain people in pool....if you have been to events that bring in the gamblers, you know who is bad action. Sure Oscar and his crew knew it too.
 
garczar said:
i kinda agree with the guy tho. i'd rather watch multiple shorter sets than on long one. 4-out -of-7 races to 11 would be good.
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As a gambler, I would rather play a LONG race for the money...the longer, the better.

That gives you a chance to warm up and get in stroke in case you start out in a slump.

I don't give a damn what anybody watching thinks or how they had rather play.

I have had people start out strong and/or get some lucky rolls and get ahead in short matches, but I have overcome almost all my opponents when it comes to long matches.

In long matches, I almost invariably get going stronger and stronger as the match progresses and my stamina allows me to play continuously for HOURS. I have played for a day or more without a bite to eat, while my oppenents were wearing down and wanting to take breaks every couple of hours.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
This sort of reminds me of TAR 5 or 6... Mika vs Shane race to 100. Shane's first "real" test, once the rest of the world outside his hometown knew how good he really was, after torturing Corey and Earl. The deal was that the match would be played on a specific table, that had cloth a couple months old or so. A day or two before the event, the cloth was changed. Mika was furious. I don't recall it had anything to do with Shane, I think the promoter or the room owner did it on their own. But I do recall Shane found it funny, and Mika almost cancelled over it. Does anyone remember more/better?
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Remember Shaw getting tortured by Bergman 100 to 72 I believe.

Was awhile for the rematch. Held in Maine. Bergman made the drive and the day before Shaw found out the room owner switched to a 4.25 inch Diamond in the playing area. Shaw refused to make the drive. Bergman said he'd play on any table and Shaw stood him up the next day

And people wonder why Bergman doesn't travel!
 
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maha said:
anyone that doesn't freeze up the money almost deserves what he gets. that is plain stupid.

as far as anyone touching the table with tools before that match makes it a valid claim for cheating or at least altering the table.

if he told his opponent and he then agreed to play then, that's a new deal and valid. if not then a person may be justified in not paying.
suspecting he was cheated or defrauded. whether intentional or not. you just don't do something like that.

but if he knew and played then he owes, otherwise he had a freeroll.

doesnt matter how bad or good anyone played.
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Oscar should have just said, "The rails are about to fall off this bitch and we ain't playing until I tighten it up" and waited for Guama to respond before they started.
 
GideonF said:
The unanswered question (as far as I can see) is what Guama and his team knew about Oscar tightening the bolts. Oscar said he did it openly.

If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.

If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.
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Probably whatever sore loser on the rail owes the money just refused to pay and made this the excuse. If you bet the rail with scumbags, you got 2 choices....bloodshed or let it go.
 
generally the rail unless it was his persons side betting for him then their bets are none of his concern.

but if you thought you had a good game why wouldnt you cover all the side bets as well? thats just giving away money.
 
then again you or anyone has no business messing with any of the equipment before the game unless it is mutually agreed to by all parties involved.
 
overlord said:
Oscar and his dad are some of the top table mechanics in the country.
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all the more reason he shouldnt touch the table as he has the expertise to change how the table plays in his favor.
overlord said:
They idea that this G dude knows anything about tables is sketchy at best.
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another reason not to touch the table as he wont be able to know what has happened and cannot make an informed deciosn about the changed conditions.
overlord said:
Oscar beat this dude fair and square........
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if he did not know or was not simply told exactly what was changed on the table and agreed to it he wasn't beaten fair and square.
 
Oscar tightening the rail bolts didn't see to be an issue for his opponent when he took a 9-1 lead or did I miss the part where Oscar was down 9-1, called time out, then went and got his tools, adjusted the table in his favor, changed out the felt, shimmed the pockets and cut the tip of the other guys cue? (That was all sarcasm btw.) Oscar tightened some bolts before the match, it didn't seem to phase his opponent at all as he opened things up by jumping to a huge lead and then guess what? The far stronger player caught a gear and won the set - color me shocked.
 
FreeShot said:
I want to clarify, but Guama has said that he posted the money and it was all paid that night. Anything that wasn't paid would've been sidebet money that didn't involve him. (That's according to Guama.) He's not a scumbag.
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you seem not totally without a dog in this fight? if i'm right maybe you can answer why he didn't ask for a spot instead of relying on gaffy table knowledge as an equalizer.. doesn't seem to me that would ever even out the chances? 33 fargo points between them and oscar's pretty battle hardened
 
If Guama knew the table so well he should have said something the night before when he won 10 grand or certainly at some point during the first day with Oscar that it wasn’t playing the same. Fact is he played and lost and didn’t know anything about the table being adjusted until told a few days later.
 
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