At that point, that's just a grown adult unloading their insecurities and failures on a kid.
Maybe she wasn't better because he was a shit coach.
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Maybe she wasn't better because he was a shit coach.
Excellent post!
This is a very difficult subject. I would say that some get near the top without super-elite conceptualization skills, but not many, I don't agree that all the top players master the game's conceptualization skills, and while people tend to marvel at their execution skills, the truth is that Filler and Gorst probably have the best conceptualization skills in pool today, and they win many, many racks because their decision making is superior to that of all their opponents.
You make a great point about players having access to the best information. By every reckoning, this has and will continue to narrow the gap between the best and the rest when it comes to conceptualization skills, but there is also the matter of "who are a players coaches and influences?" This question is much tougher than it sounds. Why, for example, is Rubilen Amit so much stronger in decision making skills than Chezka Centeno when they are both around the exact same Filipino players? Why isn't Manas learning to play in the tactical style of a Biado or a Corteza? Surely, he must have frequent access to these two tactical legends of the game.
No doubt, just as you suggest, some are better at the logical reasoning that goes with superior decision making, but I also think that some prioritize learning the conceptualization skills more than others. In the history of women's pool, no player studied the conceptualization skills of the game more than Karen Corr, and she remains the best defensive player in the history of the women's game.
To a large extent, I think you answered your own question in your superb post, but the question you hve raised, I fear, will always baffle us.
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Ummmm... She's not YOUR kid.
They are monetizing her sponsorship and tournament progress to make travel expenses easier.
You act like you know her personal life and what her other hobbies/interest are. You don't know what her goals/aspirations/intentions are. You are not inside her head. Outside of tournaments, how do you know she's not being a kid and enjoying things a normal kid would?
This level of couch-parenting and control is weird.
The Jackson Five hated their father.
But without him they wouldn't have amounted to much........
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Thank you for replyingHe knew at age 12, but by that age, the pool room was his home and family. Long story.
If you're ever bored and want to tell that story, I'm all ears! I am a big fan of Keith. I can't get enough of his story, what little of it's out there.
If you ever wanna make him chuckle, tell him some internet stranger thinks he's a better actor than Tom Cruise
I posted a couple of YT videos here of Chezka practicing Rotation and outrunning the ghost more than a decade ago. IIRC, she was just 12 or 13 years old. Never played a tournament yet, was not into money games, and was just shooting for the fun of it and her love of the game. Majority of the AZ members commented that she will be a world champion someday.
They know when they see it…
That's a strange way of saying abusive parenting is justified so long as it pays well.
Chezka is probably the most natural runner of the table in the history of the women's game. Her almost instantaneous pattern recognition is simply incredible.
Earl nurtured Tiger's love of Golf. They had a great relationship! Meanwhile I think Savannah needs to take a long break from the game and find out what SHE wants in life. Something's not working for her now and her game is going sideways, not up. I've seen quite a few child prodigies fall by the wayside while still teenagers.
Dennis basically fell off the map after receiving his five year ban from entering the United States (two years to go!). He was making 99% of his earnings here and it got wiped out just like that. It took all the heart out of him to keep playing, so he turned to poker and other pastimes and that only made things worse. I wish him the best and maybe, just maybe, he will make a late life comeback. Efren and Francsico both showed they still had it when they were older than Dennis is now.
Keith was a freak at age 12, getting in games with top players. They would give him the eight ball and he would give them fits. By age 14 he was their equal and at 16 no one wanted any part of him! Never seen another one quite like him in my lifetime, and I saw many great young players.He knew at age 12, but by that age, the pool room was his home and family. Long story.
Keith never showed any nerves at 12, 14, 16 or at any age! I think he saw that quality in Filler too. I've always said that what separates the great players from the rest is how they handle pressure. Keith was bullet proof!
Where do I mention SJM? I value his opinion more than most on here. It just seems to me a lot of people on here are hating on a 16 year old girl because she plays better than they do. They mention things like body language forgetting she is still a kid with lots of maturing to do. Just my 2 cents.
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Behind many successful people is someone cracking the whip.That's a strange way of saying abusive parenting is justified so long as it pays well.
Case in point. Recently a US female ice skater won the gold medal.
Her father was a Tiger dad and pushed her from a super young age.
Want to be the best in the world? It's not a cakewalk.
The dad would go to the rink and fire his daughters coaches all the time.
Christina Tkach was recently lamenting her childhood as her father made her play pool from the age of 8.
She said it wasn't an easy childhood. She's on the top of the women's tour.
Many a concert musician was made to practice long hours by a domineering parent.
No pain....., no gain.............
You forgot to mention that Alysa Liu fired her dad as her manager, and quit altogether at age 16, because he was pushing her so hard it made her hate ice skating.
And Kristina Tkach has said that if she ever had children she wouldn't want them to be professional pool players.
So not everyone is willing to trade their kids' well-being for a chance at a big payday, even if you are.
That is so sad, he was such a great champion.
Why they would want to lock him out of the US is beyond comprehension.
I am familiar with the story but without the dad she probably wouldn't have been a champion.
Her father was the ultimate tiger dad. Yes some kids buckle under the pressure.
Elon Musk hates his dad but his dad made Elon as tough as shoe leather................