Double Hit or Not? You Make the Call.

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FYI, I just posted a new video that shows an example of a double hit foul call situation that came up in a recent pool league match. Do you think I made the correct call? Check it out:


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As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
 
Like you, in slow motion it looked to me like the tip hit the CB a second time, slightly changing its upward trajectory off the OB - and it also looks to me like the tracked centerball path has a slight "hook" at the top, which could correspond to that.

The big lesson for me is the very small difference it makes in the shot, suggesting that "hard to see" might also mean "not enough to worry about".

Revealing stuff, Doc.

pj
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While it is inconclusive, it looks like a foul to me, especially in context. Speaking from my own experience, to draw the cue ball AND be sure of avoiding the double hit at this distance from the object ball, the cuestick must be a little more vertical than this.

That said, I would never call this foul on an opponent.
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, I just posted a new video that shows an example of a double hit foul call situation that came up in a recent pool league match. Do you think I made the correct call? Check it out:


Supporting Resources:
As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
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without the benefit of a slow-mo video, it's very difficult to judge. other than that, it is a foul. there are situations where you feel that you double hit the shot especially with situations where the CB and OB are close to each other. I believe I did one last night and felt that my cue hit the CB twice as it felt like the CB rebounded back slightly to the cue. while it look good from my pov, it felt that it hit twice. thing is, these things happen in a blink of an eye.
 
I agree that it’s not clearly a foul. Doesn’t look it a foul in real time and slow motion is inconclusive to me.

Be curious about your call (and others) on the following shot. First posted in real time and then in slow motion.


 
I would not have called a foul, nor accepted it, if called by my opponent. I have already seen too many examples of inconclusive videos being interpreted into what people think happened.
 
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if its a foul i am going to call it. but tell him before he shoots it he will likely get called on it.

that's why we always had the 45 deg rule that is if you jacked up to that, it wasn't a foul. works for both ways so is fair.

or we played if the balls were no farther than a piece of chalk you couldn't shoot it and had to shoot away. works for both parties so is fair.
 
maha said:
if its a foul i am going to call it. but tell him before he shoots it he will likely get called on it.

that's why we always had the 45 deg rule that is if you jacked up to that, it wasn't a foul. works for both ways so is fair.

or we played if the balls were no farther than a piece of chalk you couldn't shoot it and had to shoot away. works for both parties so is fair.
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I'm sorry, but my personal thought is that both are silly.

Someone can certainly double hit even jacked up a lot more than 45 deg. Likewise, for a moderately skilled player it's not terribly difficult to avoid a double hit from as close as that piece of chalk.

Nobody should be forced to refrain from what could be the best available shot option just because of some completely random, subjective "rule".
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Like you, in slow motion it looked to me like the tip hit the CB a second time, slightly changing its upward trajectory off the OB - and it also looks to me like the tracked centerball path has a slight "hook" at the top, which could correspond to that.
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But when the hook occurs, the tip is nowhere close to the CB. The "hook" is due to gravity (projectile motion).
 
sjm said:
While it is inconclusive, it looks like a foul to me, especially in context. Speaking from my own experience, to draw the cue ball AND be sure of avoiding the double hit at this distance from the object ball, the cuestick must be a little more vertical than this.
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The tip did come very close to touching the CB again. More elevation certainly would have been safer.

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I would never call this foul on an opponent.
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Agreed. The must be clear evidence of a foul to call one.
 
its all moot as you are going to be in an argument if you call it and called all sorts of names. so no win for anyone but the shooter.

that's why the old way is the best as you get a fair deal with no fights.

only way you can let him shoot it is if you have a ref. or another person make the call and agree it will be final.
then it doesn't matter if a good hit or not.
 
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