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Favorite/easiest diamond banking systems.
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Poke and hope is what I've been using.
There are basically only two kinds of systems. Visual ones and numbering/diamond ones. These are mainly systems for dead banks or mild cut angles at medium speed.
I've mainly used two visual systems that require parallel shifting. No numbers involved.
My preferred system - as a base; adjustments and feel always come into play - is a numbering system taught by Tor Lowry.
DrDave also has two fast-bank systems, the 1 more than twice and the twice-plus tenths systems.
I came across another interesting system for medium-speed stop shot banks on a YT site called Taking Hobbies Too Seriously. The host claims Mika Immonen taught him this system.
i did not watch the whole video
his numbers violate the 2:1 ratio at least on the second bank where he aimed at 10 and was shooting from HIS 10 which was 2.5 diamonds from the side pocket
either his table banks REALLY short
or he showed center cue ball tip placement so the object could have been sliding into and out of the rail
I played around with this last weekend. I had some success, but not enough to persuade me to use it. I was planning to experiment a bit more since I have never seen this system until watching the video.
He is on a 7-foot Diamond. A 9-foot GC plays differently when I tested this system on it.
All the ones in this video:
and the twice-plus-tenths system:
Visualize it. I'd put my kicking ability up against anyone the same overall speed as me. I don't use any diamond systems.
It's not easy. I can visualize lots of banks now, even a lot of kicks, because I practice them.
But learning a diamond system first taught me how to regularly succeed in making banks and kicks. It was like giving me a alphabet to make words. Or a solid foundation to build a banking and kicking game.
I just spent the whole last month practicing kicking, at least an hour a day. That's it. I learned every system there is and practiced them all. Now I am trying to do it by feel. One drill I do is throw a single ball on the table and practice 1-, 2- and 3-rail kicks by "feel."
This week, I just started on banking. I am already a very good banker, but I will spend the next month just practicing banks. I already know all the systems. So I will work on both doing it by numbers and doing it by feel.
Thank you. I will give these a look.
i agree with @jbart65
the systems speed up the learning curve initially(or forever)
@iusedtoberich i dont know how long you have been playing but you are over 600 fargo if i recall
someone who is way less experienced than you lets say an apa 5 who can get close to hitting the cueball where they want to
who could do math easily and remember the formulas
would give you a tough time in a kicking contest as long as the kicks were ones they knew the formula for (and how to adjust)
jmho
Little Joe Villalpando is currently 496 Fargo.
He would gladly have a kicking contest with you.
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One Rail, Two Rails, Three Rails and More: Kicks and Bank Shots Simplified and Explained
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A “must have” for your library.
Thank you. I will look for it.
Get your hands on all 3 of Little Joe Villalpando's videos.
He will cover kicking banking & so much more!!
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yes the diamond system is the fundamental of it all.
but with table differences and speed hit you have to make major adjustments.
but what has been left out is that you also have to know how to hit banks with many different speeds and different side english and follow and draw.
as its useless on most banks to make it unless its the last ball, unless you can get position on the next one. so that's where the add-ons need to be made to your kicks and banks.
so after a time you just walk up and know where to hit and what to do with the cueball.
but with table differences and speed hit you have to make major adjustments.
but what has been left out is that you also have to know how to hit banks with many different speeds and different side english and follow and draw.
as its useless on most banks to make it unless its the last ball, unless you can get position on the next one. so that's where the add-ons need to be made to your kicks and banks.
so after a time you just walk up and know where to hit and what to do with the cueball.
Most bank methods give you a method to find an angle and target which you must then learn to cinch. A more thorough way is to shoot at specific targets on the rail ( just like pocketing balls - go figure) and learning your ranges and margins.
Well that's taken out of context. He was pro speed in his prime!
I actually had a bet with a local player about 15 years ago. I'd say he was maybe a 630-640 range at the time, and knew every system known to man inside and out. I'm a 571 now, and maybe I was a 560 then. I never knew any systems. I bet him let's just throw random balls on the table and see who can kick better. We broke even.