Man, pool halls are dangerous

[Hungarian]

Best pocket carry, ever.

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[Jaden]

Suppressors make concealed carry problematic though.
Like choosing the best wine or motor oil, the best pistol model, caliber, & projectile selection involves myriad issues/circumstances, and everyone has his favorite regardless of evidence.

Ok unsupressed subsonic still overcomes the overpenetration issue.

 

[ShootingArts]

Ok unsupressed subsonic still overcomes the overpenetration issue.

Careful selection of the ammo is more important than the caliber as you seem to understand. My first choice is a 45, 230 grain or bigger. A forty in the proper weight is sweet too and a 9mm will get the job done. The 9mm's including the 380 will get the job done with careful bullet selection, the 380 best in the summertime. It doesn't pay to forget the 380 was the most popular police and military round in much of the world before NATO standardized on the 9x19.

My carry guns have gotten mostly smaller over the years. Started off with a 357 downloaded very little to a +P+ 38Special. Handled a little better for me. I could shoot three rounds in the time it took me to shoot two 357 +Ps from a snubby. Then I acquired a .45 full sized 1911. I carry a Commander in Indian Country now and a 380 for everyday use. A mouse gun as demonstrated by shooting a mouse with it that was trying to invade the wiring on my brother's tractor. The spare magazine holder looks a lot like another mouse gun for some reason. I'm pretty sure that anybody on the receiving end is gonna hate them meeses to pieces as Tom would say! I settle for a .22 for home defense, 224 that is. Works from two feet or closer to 200 yards or so. I like a small variable scope, 1 by four or six, 1.5 or 2 by seven. I trust the AR platform to get me through the night. I have shot small critters out past a thousand yards with it but it would probably be just fine on two legged varmints out to a few hundred yards. More likely to be shooting twenty feet anyway.

With modern ammo I would rather carry a .25 than be barefoot. Goes with the saying that a lot of people laugh at .22 rimfires but not when one is pointed at them! A friend was having cookouts. One cookout two guys got to arguing and ran to their cars for pistols. Roughly seventy-five feet apart and one grabbed a .25 pocket pistol and shot the other one in the head. Dead before he hit the ground. Another instance, a big man made a hobby of beating a much smaller man's ass every time he saw his car parked somewhere. This got old after a year or two and the li'l fella walked up one day and shot the big guy in the forehead with a 25. Killed him graveyard dead. Better to have any gun than no gun!

Hu

 

[ShootingArts]

Semantics. It’s a shit hole. How about that?

Knew somebody that went to some of the South American countries on business. Suit and tie work, they gave him two or three bodyguards in the daytime and strict instructions to stay in the hotel room at night once he had let the bodyguards go for the day.

Hu

 

[loggerhead12]

Knew somebody that went to some of the South American countries on business. Suit and tie work, they gave him two or three bodyguards in the daytime and strict instructions to stay in the hotel room at night once he had let the bodyguards go for the day.

When I went for business certified drivers were required by the ransom insurance company. I suspect "certified" meant armed. Same story in China.

 

[Cleveland_Rocks]

Be a person of peace and honor. If you convey these concepts well enough, you are less likely to need a gun. Oh, and don't play people that appear to be dangerous and/or mentally unstable. However, I say these things as a large and strong person who has trained martial arts. I don't know how it is to live as a smaller person that is more prone to being physically intimidated.

 

[loggerhead12]

. . . and/or mentally unstable.

I mean, we're talking pool halls. That's half the clientele.

 

[ShootingArts]

Be a person of peace and honor. If you convey these concepts well enough, you are less likely to need a gun. Oh, and don't play people that appear to be dangerous and/or mentally unstable. However, I say these things as a large and strong person who has trained martial arts. I don't know how it is to live as a smaller person that is more prone to being physically intimidated.

Some people are more naturally appearing targets. I always got a chuckle out of a fairly small, dainty, and very attractive young lady. She appeared to be a natural target. She was a high level pistol shooter, could handle rifle and shotgun too. Her husband was the best pistol shooter in the area, often taking a stage or two in international competition. He wasn't quite world class but very close. Always thought it funny that the very sweet nice young lady could empty a magazine in a would be attacker before they could hit the ground and survivors would have a very pissed off master shooter looking for them!

I am old and gray myself, use a cane to walk now. I could be mistaken for a target. It would be a mistake. In my natural prime I could crank out four shots a second into one hole at ten yards. These days I have slowed down to three shots a second, still one hole. I am also reasonably alert.

Somebody came my way many years ago planning a carjacking, 1911 in hand. I wasn't a happy camper! However I had my window down enough to shoot and a 357 snubby in hand. Chinese food in my car that I didn't want to spill everywhere, stupid in hindsight, I could have bought something else to eat and had the car detailed the next day.

I was a master class competitor myself at the time and had the pistol dropped down from largely hidden behind his hand and arm to in his hand the pistol in my hand hitting center mass would have been adequate.

I was alone in an empty lot, the 357 just under the window opening, still out of sight from his angle. Had he relaxed his grip on the dust cover and let the 1911 slide down into his hand he would have had bullets flying his way. With th empty lot he had zero cover. He decided I was too alert and veered away still about ten feet from my door. Saved two messes, inside and outside my Suburban.

I would have also been deaf as a post. No time to put in earplugs. I was stone deaf for three days the last time I shot the 357 without hearing protection. I didn't want to shoot and by being ready to I didn't have to, good deal all around. My food would have gotten cold while I did paperwork.

Hu

 

[middleofnowhere]

Be a person of peace and honor. If you convey these concepts well enough, you are less likely to need a gun. Oh, and don't play people that appear to be dangerous and/or mentally unstable. However, I say these things as a large and strong person who has trained martial arts. I don't know how it is to live as a smaller person that is more prone to being physically intimidated.

Being intimidating may work against you. The other guy may be more likely to just shoot you. I live in South Florida. Any given night the first 4 or 5 stories on the news are shootings. It can be over something like a parking space. It can often be the shooter felt intimated.

This is really crazy, spring break is going on now down here. They used to have problems with kids drinking and getting out of hand. Now some spring break problems are shootings. Google what is going on in Daytona and South Florida with spring break.

You may think your Reacher, but you don't win against a gun.
I am not anti gun. I always carry and have for many years even on my own property. I got in the habit when I was a bar owner. I am not some big gun person I own a few guns. Just about 2 months ago I was walking in from my shop on the back on the property. I noticed the side door open and thought I must have not closed it and the wind blew it open.

As soon as I stepped in I saw a guy in the house. I backed right out. He saw me and came to the door saying he was helping the lady that lives there. I already have my gun out but not pointed. I told him to come out, he did I asked him a few questions and I told him to get going and not come back. I didn't think he had stolen anything. He looked homeless.


When I went in and looked around I saw he had taken food there was an eaten cake on the floor. Later my wife said a pair of Crocs were missing. He stole food and shoes. I never called the cops, I don't like interacting with cops. Point is, he could have been dangerous and I'm close to 80. Don't think I would have much of a chance anymore in a fight.

I think to a degree a gun can be intimidating by its looks. I usually have a full size Beretta. I am sure it looks more scary then a small pocket gun, but who knows. I would not like any gun pointed at me. When I go out I have a smatter Beretta 9mm. Not small just smaller. I prefer D/S guns.

My father always carried a 45 I am told and have read. When I knew him as an old man, he was not young when I was born. We would shoot on the property but I never saw him carry a gun. My uncle Mike always carried two even when old. I guess he thought Dutch Schultz was waiting around the corner.

I have a theory about guys who talk about always carrying. I was reading about how many people have Walter Mitty fantasies. It said 96% of people fantasize. Most often about being heroic, doing great deeds in other words a hero. I think guys who carry wheather they realize it or not do this.
They imagine themselves being in a place and pulling their gun and saving the day.
That's enough, I think I don't need anymore coffee. This thread got me started.

 

[middleofnowhere]

would have also been deaf as a post. No time to put in earplugs. I was stone deaf for three days the last time I shot the 357 without hearing protection. I didn't

I have thought about the noise thing. I used to carry a Charter Arms bulldog in my truck. Its a 44 special. At the range it is loud as hell. I can't imagine shooting it especially inside a truck. It might blow out my eardrums .I always wonder what happens to cops when they shoot on duty. Does it effect their hearing.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Best pocket carry, ever.

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There are so many guns and new guns you can go nuts watching YouTube. Now I am looking at, not a new gun but it has gotten my interest. The SW Equilizer. It is an internal hammer system that I like. Don't like the grip safety though.
To make this post more revelent. I used to play in an upstairs pool room that had a sign outside said,
"Want to carry a gun, go to Vietnam".
I doubt many followed the sign. Fortunately the most dangerous guys were my friends.

 

[Hungarian]

There are so many guns and new guns you can go nuts watching YouTube. Now I am looking at, not a new gun but it has gotten my interest. The SW Equilizer. It is an internal hammer system that I like. Don't like the grip safety though.
To make this post more revelent. I used to play in an upstairs pool room that had a sign outside said,
"Want to carry a gun, go to Vietnam".
I doubt many followed the sign. Fortunately the most dangerous guys were my friends.

I've handled all the micros for PC. Only two that feel really good in my big hands and my pocket are the SW 642 38Special and the Bodyguard 2.0 380. the 642 is only 5 rounds. the BG 2.0 is 12 +1. 380 makes it narrower. The P365X is nice but still a little too big for the pocket IMO. The P365X is a standard 365 with a 365XL grip module giving you 12 in the mag. The standard 365XL is way too big for PC.

 

[ShootingArts]

Being intimidating may work against you. The other guy may be more likely to just shoot you. I live in South Florida. Any given night the first 4 or 5 stories on the news are shootings. It can be over something like a parking space. It can often be the shooter felt intimated.

This is really crazy, spring break is going on now down here. They used to have problems with kids drinking and getting out of hand. Now some spring break problems are shootings. Google what is going on in Daytona and South Florida with spring break.

You may think your Reacher, but you don't win against a gun.
I am not anti gun. I always carry and have for many years even on my own property. I got in the habit when I was a bar owner. I am not some big gun person I own a few guns. Just about 2 months ago I was walking in from my shop on the back on the property. I noticed the side door open and thought I must have not closed it and the wind blew it open.

As soon as I stepped in I saw a guy in the house. I backed right out. He saw me and came to the door saying he was helping the lady that lives there. I already have my gun out but not pointed. I told him to come out, he did I asked him a few questions and I told him to get going and not come back. I didn't think he had stolen anything. He looked homeless.


When I went in and looked around I saw he had taken food there was an eaten cake on the floor. Later my wife said a pair of Crocs were missing. He stole food and shoes. I never called the cops, I don't like interacting with cops. Point is, he could have been dangerous and I'm close to 80. Don't think I would have much of a chance anymore in a fight.

I think to a degree a gun can be intimidating by its looks. I usually have a full size Beretta. I am sure it looks more scary then a small pocket gun, but who knows. I would not like any gun pointed at me. When I go out I have a smatter Beretta 9mm. Not small just smaller. I prefer D/S guns.

My father always carried a 45 I am told and have read. When I knew him as an old man, he was not young when I was born. We would shoot on the property but I never saw him carry a gun. My uncle Mike always carried two even when old. I guess he thought Dutch Schultz was waiting around the corner.

I have a theory about guys who talk about always carrying. I was reading about how many people have Walter Mitty fantasies. It said 96% of people fantasize. Most often about being heroic, doing great deeds in other words a hero. I think guys who carry wheather they realize it or not do this.
They imagine themselves being in a place and pulling their gun and saving the day.
That's enough, I think I don't need anymore coffee. This thread got me started.

Fairly anonymous on the net. That tiny picture in my avatar is probably the only one you can find. I talk more freely on here than I do in person. Thing is, I have walked the mean streets and may do it again although I am less inclined to as I age and appear more of a target. I was half partners in a business at 15. In the year we held the lease it was robbed 22 times, six or seven of those being armed robberies. A fluke, I was never present during an armed robbery. While the major thoroughfare the station was on wasn't too bad, everything around it was! Well except the graveyards which were several hundred years old or more.

I screwed a shotgun in somebody's ear, foolish, it wasn't necessary. Another time, somebody came at me with a stabbing weapon, I had a gas nozzle in my hand and it will squirt six or eight feet. Alone during slow times at service stations and things got interesting sometimes. Three young men tried to crowd me, threatening me, in my next service station. I backed into a doorway where they had to come from the front and told them let's get it on. "You can't fight us, we are only seventeen!" "Fine, I am only sixteen." Stopped them in their tracks. Rarely trouble when you call somebody's bluff. Funny thing, I really was sixteen, maybe just a long fifteen, I don't remember.

Later I ran a wrecker. Always alone. Running for the law, citizens, and often drunks. Never know how many there were or if they are armed. When they are broke they figure if they get you out they will talk you into helping them. The wrecker made for a lot of interesting times and lots of interesting places. The auto salvage was slightly safer and I hadn't owned my business a month when people started learning I would tap somebody that needed tapping. No warning, no loud mouth, no shove. From a little amateur back yard and school boxing I had developed the habit of taking the inside lines and take my chances on dodging or deflecting roundhouse blows.

Once I was in a biker bar when two guys went to fighting. Every guy in the place besides me was packing, half the women. Damned embarrassing to reach down to my waist line and snatch out a handful of belly hair! The two guys that started off fighting were rolling around at my feet but things went crazy from there. Almost every man in the place started brawling for why I did not know, half the women were knuckle and skulling with other women or men. I don't know how many of them had a clue what they were fighting about. I ended up working the front door and they were tossing half the people out while keeping the other half inside. No idea how they sorted out who was who! With all of the guns there were a couple of accidental discharges and the law showed in about fifteen minutes or so. Funny thing, I never did figure out where those bullets went. None went in people and nobody was arrested for anything.

The bars are safer than pool halls although I do know of a few people shot in pool halls. One was still on the floor when I started playing.
(edit: I meant to say the pool halls are safer than bars.)

Hu

 

[Rusty in Montana]

I have thought about the noise thing. I used to carry a Charter Arms bulldog in my truck. Its a 44 special. At the range it is loud as hell. I can't imagine shooting it especially inside a truck. It might blow out my eardrums .I always wonder what happens to cops when they shoot on duty. Does it effect their hearing.

I for a short period of time worked as a armored car guard and to qualify we had to shoot from a confined space similar to the back of the armored truck and in the wide open always with ear plugs .
Thankfully while on shift we were never in a situation that required gun fire , I still don't care for a Mossberg pump shotgun , my favorite is now a Benelli Nova shotgun , for a sidearm it was a large frame .357 loaded with .38 ammo

 

[David in FL]

Best pocket carry, ever.

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Ask 100 people about that and you'll get 100 different answers.

If I'm gonna pocket carry it's gotta be small. Really small. Given the many limitations of something that size I seldom do, but still, when I have to it's better to have something than nothing...

My little Seacamp...

 

[muskyed]

Here is two for me. The top one is my 9mm S&W Shield that I love, small but comfortable to hold and shoot. Also has a laser sight and a safety which I like. Because of the safety , it allowed me to clean up the trigger and firing mechanism to have a clean pull of just under 4 lbs. This is a fantastic pistol.
The next smaller one is a Ruger 380, a real piece of crap, but I may work on it sometime. Originally bought it for my wife for when she walks the dog down this mile and a half dead end dirt road alongside our property. You're back down nowhere down that road and I wanted her to be safe. The pistol is extremely small, no safety, but a horrible trigger with massive creep and about a 7lb pull, which is ok as there is no safety. It is almost impossible for her to rack the slide as it's hard to hold in the first place and so little. She didn't like it so we picked up a S&W EZ 380 that is bigger, has a better trigger, easy to shoot and load, and has a safety. She loves that pistol.
I actually just had my Shield out the other night. While we have no crime by us, our doorbell rang about 8 at night. Keep in mind we live in the middle of nowhere, and our house is about 250 yds off the road and totally dark at night. well I walked towards the front door and could see two guys at it. I turned around and got my Shield and put it part way in my pocket with the butt out so I could hold it. Then I went out through the garage coming out behind them. All was good, just a father taking his high school son around trying to sell a page of these discount stubs for a fund raiser. I'm sure they saw me with my hand on my gun when I came out but I immediately realized all was fine and they made a $20 sale.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Fairly anonymous on the net. That tiny picture in my avatar is probably the only one you can find. I talk more freely on here than I do in person. Thing is, I have walked the mean streets and may do it again although I am less inclined to as I age and appear more of a target. I was half partners in a business at 15. In the year we held the lease it was robbed 22 times, six or seven of those being armed robberies. A fluke, I was never present during an armed robbery. While the major thoroughfare the station was on wasn't too bad, everything around it was! Well except the graveyards which were several hundred years old or more.

I screwed a shotgun in somebody's ear, foolish, it wasn't necessary. Another time, somebody came at me with a stabbing weapon, I had a gas nozzle in my hand and it will squirt six or eight feet. Alone during slow times at service stations and things got interesting sometimes. Three young men tried to crowd me, threatening me, in my next service station. I backed into a doorway where they had to come from the front and told them let's get it on. "You can't fight us, we are only seventeen!" "Fine, I am only sixteen." Stopped them in their tracks. Rarely trouble when you call somebody's bluff. Funny thing, I really was sixteen, maybe just a long fifteen, I don't remember.

Later I ran a wrecker. Always alone. Running for the law, citizens, and often drunks. Never know how many there were or if they are armed. When they are broke they figure if they get you out they will talk you into helping them. The wrecker made for a lot of interesting times and lots of interesting places. The auto salvage was slightly safer and I hadn't owned my business a month when people started learning I would tap somebody that needed tapping. No warning, no loud mouth, no shove. From a little amateur back yard and school boxing I had developed the habit of taking the inside lines and take my chances on dodging or deflecting roundhouse blows.

Once I was in a biker bar when two guys went to fighting. Every guy in the place besides me was packing, half the women. Damned embarrassing to reach down to my waist line and snatch out a handful of belly hair! The two guys that started off fighting were rolling around at my feet but things went crazy from there. Almost every man in the place started brawling for why I did not know, half the women were knuckle and skulling with other women or men. I don't know how many of them had a clue what they were fighting about. I ended up working the front door and they were tossing half the people out while keeping the other half inside. No idea how they sorted out who was who! With all of the guns there were a couple of accidental discharges and the law showed in about fifteen minutes or so. Funny thing, I never did figure out where those bullets went. None went in people and nobody was arrested for anything.

The bars are safer than pool halls although I do know of a few people shot in pool halls. One was still on the floor when I started playing.

Hu

Guess another normal night in the office.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Here is two for me. The top one is my 9mm S&W Shield that I love, small but comfortable to hold and shoot. Also has a laser sight and a safety which I like. Because of the safety , it allowed me to clean up the trigger and firing mechanism to have a clean pull of just under 4 lbs. This is a fantastic pistol.
The next smaller one is a Ruger 380, a real piece of crap, but I may work on it sometime. Originally bought it for my wife for when she walks the dog down this mile and a half dead end dirt road alongside our property. You're back down nowhere down that road and I wanted her to be safe. The pistol is extremely small, no safety, but a horrible trigger with massive creep and about a 7lb pull, which is ok as there is no safety. It is almost impossible for her to rack the slide as it's hard to hold in the first place and so little. She didn't like it so we picked up a S&W EZ 380 that is bigger, has a better trigger, easy to shoot and load, and has a safety. She loves that pistol.
I actually just had my Shield out the other night. While we have no crime by us, our doorbell rang about 8 at night. Keep in mind we live in the middle of nowhere, and our house is about 250 yds off the road and totally dark at night. well I walked towards the front door and could see two guys at it. I turned around and got my Shield and put it part way in my pocket with the butt out so I could hold it. Then I went out through the garage coming out behind them. All was good, just a father taking his high school son around trying to sell a page of these discount stubs for a fund raiser. I'm sure they saw me with my hand on my gun when I came out but I immediately realized all was fine and they made a $20 sale.
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Hmmmm..... some years back, I vaguely remember some compact, not sure what brand it was, maybe an S&W or a Ruger or something else which had a terrible recoil and so uncomfortable to hold. if some of you could mention some, it made come back to me what it was. worst compact in history imo.

 

[Maniac]

I always wonder what happens to cops when they shoot on duty. Does it effect their hearing.

Probably affects how much truth they use when they write their Use of Force reports.

 

[muskyed]

Hmmmm..... some years back, I vaguely remember some compact, not sure what brand it was, maybe an S&W or a Ruger or something else which had a terrible recoil and so uncomfortable to hold. if some of you could mention some, it made come back to me what it was. worst compact in history imo.

Neither one has any objectionable recoil. Even though the little Ruger is so small and somewhat hard to hold, the recoil is fine as it's a 380. Your results may be different but both myself and my wife by the way have extensive shooting experience. I have tought her well, and she is a much more capable shooter with a pistol than most men I know.
Was sort of funny as when she saw me bring out these two pistols she got on me as we hadn't shot for awhile. Guess we'll have to go out back and shoot some. Will have to wait till next week as our granddaughter comes tomorrow till the weekend and our snow should melt off by Sunday or Monday. I am very fortunate in that I have a shooting range on my property.
As to noise, I would never own a pistol with a top recoil port. Just my view, may not be someone elses.